Dean Burnett (that brains guy)You wrote a novel using AI? Cool. It's like that time I ran a marathon using a Ford Focus.
DTrasler Writing@Garwboy Yeah, I rowed across the Atlantic in a 747.
Kevin RussellIts amazing how much The Guardian sucks.
Scott GrimmettOccasionally publishing worthwhile things does not prevent the "they suck" tagging.
Delta Sierra@Garwboy "I wrote a novel using predictive text on my phone and boy do my thumbs hurt!"
Joe
Chris Jags"Must" 😄
Yeah writers have famously never been able to function without it.
Alllll the way back the Tale of Genji, all written with AI
Ray McCarthy@ChrisJagged @Garwboy
Gilgamesh
Homer
A true History (2000 yo SF)
Rider Haggard
Jane Austin
Dickens
All those depressed Russian guys,
Diana Wynne Jones
Terry Pratchett.
Never heard of Stephen Marche. Is he trying to trick the competition into producing junk?
Has he read many books in diverse genres?
Kerry Mitchell 🍁@raymaccarthy @ChrisJagged @Garwboy Marche used to be an English professor teaching Shakespeare. He’s written books without using AI, and contributes articles to Esquire, The New Yorker and The Atlantic. I don’t see why people consider this Guardian article pro-AI, as he’s saying AI produces mediocre writing.
@KerryMitchell @ChrisJagged @Garwboy
It's too pro-AI, partly by the assumption that LLM/Generative AI is here to stay. There are other useful technologies that are labelled AI, that are "here to stay". There is no evidence that we have to get used to LLM. The evidence is actually that it's doomed for the trash can for economic reasons. Many more useful technologies are gone.
It's too pro-AI, partly by the assumption that LLM/Generative AI is here to stay. There are other useful technologies that are labelled AI, that are "here to stay". There is no evidence that we have to get used to LLM. The evidence is actually that it's doomed for the trash can for economic reasons. Many more useful technologies are gone.
@raymaccarthy @ChrisJagged @Garwboy LLMs may not be here to stay (who knows), but they are here. One-third of senior content marketing job listings now mention AI. AI is used a lot in business writing now - technical writing, proposal writing, HR communications, reporting and so on. Requiring writing skills at a liberal arts level (English and Journalism grads) has dropped out of many job requirements as well.
Hot Dog Water, will not complyWelp, whatever a Stephen Marche is, I wouldn't trust to tell me I'm not on-fire.
Addicts find all kinds of dope.
Tim
aburka 🫣
Abram Kedge🏴🇨🇦
Gustavo
Tina@Garwboy I really do not see how people can write with AI. Sure AI is a good editor, but not to write the whole book. One half of it will not make senses and those dashes. I so want to correct all the dashes. That is me, I like to do things still old school.
@Christiee @Garwboy
It's a rubbish editor too.
Any good bits will be stolen. It only chops up and regurgitates. It's not remotely like a human being inspired by books they've read.
@raymaccarthy @Garwboy it can be and always the trick is to read it outloud make sure it sonds like you the writer. Grammarly works ok. I like reading outloud but still always looking for a better application.
@Christiee @Garwboy
Grammarly is pointless.
Also theatre, movies, TV use "out loud" dialogue. Good writing uses a different style of dialogue as well as narration etc.
Poetry usually needs read out loud. Not Novels or textbooks.
@raymaccarthy @Garwboy I am working on books but reading them can tell that it is so me. I have little quirks and when comment on a scene. Sometimes even in humor too. It does make one wonder though in the AI which books are humans and which is al AI
Julia Rez@raymaccarthy @Christiee @Garwboy
Mm. No. Reading something out loud fixes So Many thinko bugs it's untrue. Also unless you're writing some deeply wonky SF, there'll be people having conversations with other people, and if those don't sound natural the reader's going to fall out of the story.
Francisca Sinn@Garwboy *Chef’s kiss*
Carolyn
JackMexAI is using US ( you and me) to "write" novels. The tech bros stole all of our work to create a machine that will sell it .
Their argument is that they created a really complex path from our stolen work to their profit. They have admitted that their business model depends not paying us for our work.
Jay@JackMexa4 @Garwboy mind officially blown!!! 💥 🧠 💥
Dolby Jr
Mike Torr
Peter 🔜 EMF@macronencer @dolbyjr @Garwboy so more like a stolen Rangerover and after finishing, telling the runners who are complaining about the idiot mowing down runners in a Rangerover that they could just get a Rangerover too and how much better that would make them.
TheStrangelet 
@Garwboy AI;DR
Debbie Belair@Garwboy I wrote a novel without AI. I do use a grammar checker but that's it.
I'm hoping tht publishers and editors get wise to people who do this and try and make money.
Writers do not have to accept this.
Dying World 🔥🌎🔥@Garwboy Do these people not realise how stupid they sound?
If writing is so important to you, why the hell would you outsource it to a plagiarism generator?
Edelruth, PBS Passport HolderOne wonders if he hass invested in AI. The "must" direction to persons of free will is a choice.
Drew 🇵🇭 ♾️@Garwboy Thing is, he didn't. That's an oxymoron. Whatever he might have done using AI, it sure as fuck wasn't writing a novel. He may have _prompted_ an LLM to assemble some word salad. That I could acknowledge.
Ombre
Luke Harby@Garwboy So many people are, people who have no talent. It's a sea of sh1t out there.
Chris J. Line@Garwboy AI wrote the novel. Using these tools is a way of admitting you are irrelevant. Anyone can do it. It’s more like you paid a guy to run the marathon for you with your name on his vest, but asked for everyone to cheer for you in your deckchair at the finish line instead.
Lydia Conwell@Garwboy There's some ambiguity in that title. It doesn't necessarily say they are endorsing the use of AI.
@Garwboy I read the article.
tl;dr it says you have to learn skills first, then use AI to help you.
So AI apparently is OK as long as you prove you've got a bit of talent first, then it's OK to cheat from there on.
So as long as you've mastered running, your Ford Focus marathon is valid.
GinevraCat@Garwboy @kristinHenry This is my new favourite analogy.
xrvs
I_give_u_worms@Garwboy wow I hope they get another AI to read it and then throw it out and delete both AI's
Timothy Roes@Garwboy That's too easy. Ever read this essay by Steven Berlin Johnson? This sort of collaboration between writer/thinker and AI seems very valuable and productive and doesn't diminish the work of the writer/researcher in the least https://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/books/review/tool-for-thought.html
Tool for Thought
Steven Johnson essay on new computer-based tools that can integrate research for writers within personal library of files; describes features and results of his personal experience; says new tools allow creative collaboration between writer's intelligence and software's search and retrieval capabilities; says advent of word processors changed way writers wrote and new software will change way they think; photo (M)
Bee@TimothyRoes @Garwboy That was written 20 years ago when this whole field was different. (Also it’s paywalled so I did not read the whole thing.)
Certainly it is possible to have a positive creative relationship with these tools and use them to empower your thinking and writing.
But that’s not what people are doing; we are instead drowning the collective history and memory of our species in so much mechanically produced word salad that ‘writing’ is in danger of losing all meaning.
@TimothyRoes @Garwboy Societally I think you’re right, but it’s a bubble that is going to pop for at least four reasons (unprofitable, error prone by design, isn’t offering business benefits and is vulnerable to trade & energy disruption) so while we wait for all that to play out what we can do is work on our individual positions.
In truth there is no genie. There is spicy autocomplete and a mass abdication of responsibility in the presence of a shiny new toy. Resist ✊
ZenHeathen 🇨🇦
Milcom MiasmaWho knew that the great replacement theory should have been about something else entirely?
Damn if we didn't completely miss the point of the conspiracy. 😆
JBrown, Esq@Garwboy capitalists must face the obsolescence of their favorite violent, corrupt economic system, which has shat the bed again, is starting world wars again, and is trying to replace millions of us at our workplaces without any solution for unemployment.
No, the people face nothing other than the imminent collapse of this economy BECAUSE of this fraud tech.
jadedctrl 
Reid 
@Garwboy This hurts my soul, but I have no fear. As someone who writes for a living, AI isn't coming for my job. Those people who use it to "write" for them were never going to pay me to write anything anyway, and those who do pay were never going to use an LLM because they're paying for human creativity.