Shaun Welchko
k3ym𖺀The person with 2 years of food storage and no relationships is less resilient than the person with 2 months of storage and a neighborhood that gives a shit about each other.
Glen T, heated, not stirred@k3ym0 *The* lesson from Covid. The people who were killed in the greatest numbers were those away from community and society. An old age person in their own home, with their neighbours doing the shop run, were far more likely to survive than a counterpart on a farm or in a residential home.
Perkele@k3ym0 What about the person with half a day of food storage and no relationships?
... asking for a frie... uhh, errm.. a person I know.
Juho MäntysaloPersonally, I have an unopened 10 litre bottle of water bought from a supermarket that has a shelf-life of about three years. Cost (I think) less than two euros. And not just because I live in Nokia*.
For about twenty euros you can buy enough pasta, crushed tomatoes, rice, oats, and tofu to last a week. You can eat&replace as needed.
This is what the Finnish government recommends, as well.
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* For foreigners: our water company is not known for its reliability.
Yeah, I get budgetary constrains. Though I have to say that food that lasts weeks or months tends to also be food that you can buy for the cheapest prices. So if you're not outright queuing for food (or digging behind a supermarket), it's still worth doing.
But whatever the reasons for your lack of income, I hope it all goes alright for you :)
Yup, been buying the cheapest stuff I can get. When I had better finances I didn't tend to eat expensively even then so I was well prepared for the current situation.
Haven't had to go to the food bank lines yet, and probably won't go even if I should. There's other people who need it more than I do, families and sick people. I've gone without food for a few days many times before, I can manage lol.
Lambda@k3ym0 from asking around, approximately nobody has two months of food storage though. Yes, relationships are far more valuable in the long term, but they won't help if everyone you love starves or dies of thirst after two weeks. Please still have a bare minimum of disaster preparedness.
Я⊛ḶḶ model â˜tell that to Manousos Oviedo.
lemgandi
D.Rehfeldt@k3ym0 @davep realistically, a person could survive a couple months without food, but will perish from dehydration in a few days without water. But I agree, it takes a village (trusted friends, neighbors, group, community, etc.) of people to survive for much longer. So, go find a village or build one; preferably a village with diversified skill sets. And always have a means to acquire drinkable water! [edited to define my use of the word village]
David Penfold 
I've got a British Berkefeld gravity filter, but there's also a spring about 10 metres from our house (which is handy!).
Nuwagaba Gift@Bytesnagger
Finding a very of such a kind is difficult. How can such a village be created?
Finding a very of such a kind is difficult. How can such a village be created?
@nuwagaba2 @Bytesnagger every village needs a leader - someone who is humble but can take the initiative to organize. That’s how it gets started IMO.
@k3ym0
That's right leaders are either born or made . Can i share with you about my project?
That's right leaders are either born or made . Can i share with you about my project?
Jargoggles@k3ym0
My dad panic buys everything Alex Jones hawks. It's been awhile, but last time I saw his place, it was packed with boxes and boxes of shit. Most of them didn't even look opened and I'm positive he didn't keep any kind of inventory, yet he's convinced he'll be well-prepared when the apocalypse hits (which has been just around the corner for decades).
I told him that it's always communities that survive disasters, not individuals, and asked him how many of his neighbors he knows. None. Not a single one. Again, that was years ago, but I'm positive nothing has changed.
LilFluff@k3ym0 the Surviving The Apocalypse panel at a convention where we came to two conclusions: the survival nuts convinced they're one disaster away from being the new aristocracy would last until they ticked off a farmer; and *the* most useful thing for a group to have would be grandparents.
and the most useful thing for a group to have would be grandparents.
Can you please expand on this a little? Why would that be the most useful thing?
@k3ym0 the combination of knowing how to make do with less technology (although that's a constantly shifting level), life experience, and child care while the younger adults do whatever heavy labor is needed. As I recall our eventual Big Three desires were grandparents, well stocked hardware store, and a well stocked pharmacy (less for prescription medications than the vast shelves of aspirin, allergy pills, and the like). These assuming you also had a community ready to work together.
Sören Meyer-Eppler@k3ym0 that's been my thinking about prepper culture in general. What's their scenario? Outlive everyone else by a few weeks by hiding alone in their bunker?
In general, the things that make you most resilient in a disaster are the same things you need for a good life anyways. Good health. Robust relationships with family and friends. Nurture those as disaster preparedness.