Maesha ๐ช๐ธ
GrapheneOSGrapheneOS will remain usable by anyone around the world without requiring personal information, identification or an account. GrapheneOS and our services will remain available internationally. If GrapheneOS devices can't be sold in a region due to their regulations, so be it.
Brev
Ret@GrapheneOS good on you. Don't give in to the fascists and fearmongers.
ArchiGato 
@GrapheneOS An operating system that can only be installed on a Google phone, or perhaps on a single Motorola model in the future. ๐
a53bdb@archigato @GrapheneOS Shame on OEMs who donโt care security, nothing more.
@archigato GrapheneOS has an official long term partnership with Motorola and will support many of their future devices, not one. It will support multiple new Motorola devices every year. We aren't lowering our security requirements but rather their devices are being improved to meet our requirements. The reason GrapheneOS won't support their currently available devices is because those don't meet our security requirements. Currently, only Pixels meet our requirements.
@GrapheneOS That's great, I already knew that. But it would be interesting to have other options.
George Liquor, American@archigato @GrapheneOS then make it happen
Alison Wilder@archigato looks like you better get on it!
Sobri | Zoe (she/her)@GrapheneOS @archigato looking forward to those new devices!
Kavus
Julian H@GrapheneOS @archigato based and awesome. Will consider getting a Motorola once my current phone dies.
Kai (Knots | BIP-110) ๐ 
Ed"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." --Mark Twain
Flittermouse ๐ธ๐ฅ๐น๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐ฉ@archigato
LineageOS and the like can be installed on many makes and models. GrapheneOS has always been kinda niche, because they provide a privacy-first environment that's only useful to highly committed users, and they don't even bother trying to support phones that would overburden their very limited resources. Currently that means Pixel 6/6a/6pro or later, Pixel Fold, or Pixel Tablet. Used Pixel 9a is typically available on ebay UK for ยฃ200 or so. @GrapheneOS
LineageOS and the like can be installed on many makes and models. GrapheneOS has always been kinda niche, because they provide a privacy-first environment that's only useful to highly committed users, and they don't even bother trying to support phones that would overburden their very limited resources. Currently that means Pixel 6/6a/6pro or later, Pixel Fold, or Pixel Tablet. Used Pixel 9a is typically available on ebay UK for ยฃ200 or so. @GrapheneOS
@Flittermouse @GrapheneOS
Yes, it's a bit elitist. Anyway, I'm just giving my opinion from the outside because it's not that important to me; I don't even use my phone much. But I have clients who want alternatives and don't want it limited to just one or two phone brands. I tell them that's not possible; it's better not to use a phone at all. And I'm talking about people with serious problems.
Yes, it's a bit elitist. Anyway, I'm just giving my opinion from the outside because it's not that important to me; I don't even use my phone much. But I have clients who want alternatives and don't want it limited to just one or two phone brands. I tell them that's not possible; it's better not to use a phone at all. And I'm talking about people with serious problems.
@archigato @Flittermouse GrapheneOS is a privacy and security project. It isn't elitist to have a reasonable set of hardware requirements including proper driver/firmware updates and important hardware-based security features we need to protect against widespread real world exploits. Similarly to iPhones, GrapheneOS devices are far more secure than using a traditional desktop OS. The security standards for mobile are much higher than what passes for acceptable for laptops and desktops.
@GrapheneOS @Flittermouse
The "elitist" comment wasn't meant as criticism; it's because the audience seeking that level of security is quite limited and not necessarily the average user, who isn't as concerned about privacy and security. It wasn't a negative criticism. I belonged to that "elite" myself because of my previous work in security.
The "elitist" comment wasn't meant as criticism; it's because the audience seeking that level of security is quite limited and not necessarily the average user, who isn't as concerned about privacy and security. It wasn't a negative criticism. I belonged to that "elite" myself because of my previous work in security.
@archigato @Flittermouse There's a huge audience interested in having private and secure devices. Providing the bare minimum of standard privacy/security patches and important standard hardware-based defenses rules out nearly all Android devices. iPhones have much better security than the vast majority of Android devices. Out of the Android devices supporting installing another OS, the only ones with similar security protections are Pixels. People who want privacy/security mostly buy iPhones.
@Flittermouse @archigato GrapheneOS is privacy project and privacy depends on security. We have very reasonable hardware security requirements which are listed at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices. We only expect industry standard updates and security features. The only non-Pixel Android devices meeting these requirements don't allow using another OS. We're officially partnered with Motorola and they're making devices meeting these requirements with official GrapheneOS support.
@Flittermouse @archigato GrapheneOS is a highly usable production quality OS with broad app compatibility. It isn't a niche choice only for people who are highly committed to privacy. It's very usable as a daily driver. The vast majority of Android apps are fully functional on GrapheneOS. In practice, the only apps unavailable on GrapheneOS are a tiny subset banning using any alternate OS with the Play Integrity API or similar methods. 90% of banking apps work and 99.999% of other apps
@GrapheneOS @Flittermouse
That's already progress because Motorola phones are even more affordable than Pixels. I like both and I have nothing against Android or Google, although I'd like a bit more freedom. But I'm more convinced by Motorola.
That's already progress because Motorola phones are even more affordable than Pixels. I like both and I have nothing against Android or Google, although I'd like a bit more freedom. But I'm more convinced by Motorola.
redti@archigato @GrapheneOS
I think your just trolling, these device are corresponding to criteria of security that non other device do. Go shit posting somewhere else. No B.S allowed here!
I think your just trolling, these device are corresponding to criteria of security that non other device do. Go shit posting somewhere else. No B.S allowed here!
ใ Wooden Croccy ใ@GrapheneOS thanks for fighting the good fight
Rachel Rawlings@GrapheneOS This might screw up my plan to get a new Motorola with GrapheneOS preinstalled, but guarantees that I'll put it on as an aftermarket install.
Are we all alone?@GrapheneOS can't you be forced by the government? or can't google restrict you an access one day?
Xtreix@esp32 @GrapheneOS Supporting Pixel devices has become more difficult, which is why the partnership with Motorola is so valuable.
But AOSP is not Google and can be used without Google services, even though AOSP is, in a sense, tied to Google, mainly because Google is the largest contributor, you can create a mobile OS based on AOSP without depending on Google services.
You cannot ban FOSS, just as you cannot ban encryption and the mathematics used for it; you can discredit it, try to generate negative publicity, attempt to impose backdoors, etc, which is exactly what authoritarian and fascist regimes are desperately trying to do.
@jonathan859 @GrapheneOS I wish there was a way I could install that on samsung devices.
@flyingpenguinMwauthzyx @GrapheneOS Well, even if Samsung was supported by GrapheneOS, Samsung just started locking the boot loader, so good luck getting it on there, lol. It would be cool for sure though, yeah.
@flyingpenguinMwauthzyx @jonathan859 @GrapheneOS Unfortunately, Samsung does not support the installation of an alternative operating system. If you do so, an electric fuse (e-fuse) will blow, which will disable all security features, rendering the device unusable, and reverting to the original OS will do nothing.
@flyingpenguinMwauthzyx @jonathan859 @GrapheneOS This has nothing to do with rooting; you cannot install another OS on Samsung devices.
Using root breaks Android's security model, and it is strongly discouraged on production devices. GrapheneOS does not support root and does not provide support for users who root their devices.
You can build GrapheneOS yourself with root support using your own signing keys, but you will not receive official support, and the device will need to be updated using your own signing keys.
Regendans@flyingpenguinMwauthzyx @jonathan859
Flashing custom ROMs on Samsung devices was never particular joyful given Samsung's Odin. And Samsung is shutting the door of bootloader locking. ๐ However, and depending on your use case (Say for example only saving notes offline and making photos, and not using LTE or WiFi) Replicant project may be useful for you for really old and cheap refurbished Samsung phones. YMMV. https://replicant.us/supported-devices.php #samsung
@flyingpenguinMwauthzyx @jonathan859 @GrapheneOS it's not possible anymore as Samsung devices are locking their bootloaders from OneUI 8 and if you installed their February security patch, the bootloader version (I think) will also be upgraded so it won't be possible to go back to the older Android versions anymore. This move effectively kills the future of any custom ROMs for Samsung devices.
yeah ! Your right fuck their law!
Michael ๐ @GrapheneOS do you have a list of non-Google devices where I can install this OS?
@michael Pixels are the only currently available devices meeting the security requirements for GrapheneOS.
GrapheneOS has an official long term partnership with Motorola and will support many of their future devices:
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116159602850585685
We aren't lowering our standards but rather their devices are being improved to meet our requirements. Existing devices from every non-Pixel Android OEM lack important security features and don't provide the level of driver/firmware updates we need.
Lars Marowsky-Brรฉe ๐ท@GrapheneOS @michael So I'm guessing it will be optional on Motorola devices, not the default choice?
Dane ๐๐โ๏ธโฎ๏ธโ๏ธโธ๏ธ๐๏ธ@GrapheneOS @[email protected] And this is why I've chosen GrapheneOS. It's the standards you set for yourself and your partners. Kudos to Motorola for stepping up! I look forward to this partnership.
waffles@GrapheneOS will the new gtapheneos phones support att?
Mr Cheseaux@GrapheneOS and now GrapheneOS and Fairphone could be the game-changer annoucement many are waiting for โบ๏ธ
@gcheseaux Fairphone has made it very clear they don't care about providing serious privacy or security. We aren't going to be supporting their devices or working with them. They already chose a different path incompatible with working with us.
@GrapheneOS important clarification, thanks for sharing.
LukefromDC@GrapheneOS What cannot be sold in a store can be smuggled.
digitalCalibrator (she/her)@GrapheneOS eh, don't forget the asterisk of "only on supported devices." I understand that manually backporting major security and system updates to "EOL" devices is too effort for what you probably see as a small number of potential users, but it still sticks in my craw a little that my pixel 6a is unsupported, even though the hardware continues to be needs-suiting and i don't want to contribute to the growing e-waste problems not than I need to.
I don't want to have to buy another new (or new-to-me) device just so i can get the kind of privacy and security that ought to be part of modern Android to begin with (though that part's surveillance capitalism's fault, not yours)
I don't want to have to buy another new (or new-to-me) device just so i can get the kind of privacy and security that ought to be part of modern Android to begin with (though that part's surveillance capitalism's fault, not yours)
> I understand that manually backporting major security and system updates to "EOL" devices is too effort for what you probably see as a small number of potential users
End-of-life devices no longer receive driver and firmware updates. Porting major OS updates to them won't resolve the insecurity. GrapheneOS is for secure devices.
> my pixel 6a is unsupported
Pixel 6a is supported by GrapheneOS and will continue to be until it's end-of-life:
@GrapheneOS huh, i could have sworn i saw something that said it wasn't supported, but i guess I'm wrong! Thanks, now i just need to get the willpower and time to dump all my memes and photos and such so i can switch over...
@digitalCalibrator It's not one of the recommended devices for new purchases because it lacks ARMv9 security features and more important because it doesn't have enough support time remaining. 6th gen Pixels had 5 years of support from launch compared to 7 years for the Pixel 8 and later. Pixel 6a will be end-of-life after July 2027, possibly as soon as August 2027, and then it won't be getting important driver/firmware security updates or official support for new major releases.
@digitalCalibrator You won't get decent security on a device not receiving driver/firmware updates. Pixel 6a is not end-of-life yet and is still fully supported by GrapheneOS. It's not one of the recommended devices for new purchases due to lack of recent security features and remaining support time.
The whole point of GrapheneOS is substantially improving privacy and security from the baseline. If Android included our current privacy and security features, we'd have a large set of new ones.
Johan Moir (Mastodon)@GrapheneOS so, I was about to give GrapheneOS a try on my Pixel6a. As it stands now, would that still work? And when would the potential changes in regulations start?
@Johan_E_M Pixel 6a is fully supported and works well. It's part of the oldest generation of supported devices and has an update guarantee from the OEM until at least July 2027.
Some of the laws we're referencing were already passed. It isn't going to result in any changes to GrapheneOS and it will remain available everywhere. Many other projects are making changes due to it or blocking downloads in regions passing these laws but we've determined there's no need for us to do anything.
@GrapheneOS ok, thanks for this! Looking forward to try it out!