GrapheneOSGrapheneOS will remain usable by anyone around the world without requiring personal information, identification or an account. GrapheneOS and our services will remain available internationally. If GrapheneOS devices can't be sold in a region due to their regulations, so be it.
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Flittermouse 🎸🥁🎹🏳️⚧️🐩@archigato
LineageOS and the like can be installed on many makes and models. GrapheneOS has always been kinda niche, because they provide a privacy-first environment that's only useful to highly committed users, and they don't even bother trying to support phones that would overburden their very limited resources. Currently that means Pixel 6/6a/6pro or later, Pixel Fold, or Pixel Tablet. Used Pixel 9a is typically available on ebay UK for £200 or so. @GrapheneOS
LineageOS and the like can be installed on many makes and models. GrapheneOS has always been kinda niche, because they provide a privacy-first environment that's only useful to highly committed users, and they don't even bother trying to support phones that would overburden their very limited resources. Currently that means Pixel 6/6a/6pro or later, Pixel Fold, or Pixel Tablet. Used Pixel 9a is typically available on ebay UK for £200 or so. @GrapheneOS
@Flittermouse @GrapheneOS
Yes, it's a bit elitist. Anyway, I'm just giving my opinion from the outside because it's not that important to me; I don't even use my phone much. But I have clients who want alternatives and don't want it limited to just one or two phone brands. I tell them that's not possible; it's better not to use a phone at all. And I'm talking about people with serious problems.
Yes, it's a bit elitist. Anyway, I'm just giving my opinion from the outside because it's not that important to me; I don't even use my phone much. But I have clients who want alternatives and don't want it limited to just one or two phone brands. I tell them that's not possible; it's better not to use a phone at all. And I'm talking about people with serious problems.
@archigato @Flittermouse GrapheneOS is a privacy and security project. It isn't elitist to have a reasonable set of hardware requirements including proper driver/firmware updates and important hardware-based security features we need to protect against widespread real world exploits. Similarly to iPhones, GrapheneOS devices are far more secure than using a traditional desktop OS. The security standards for mobile are much higher than what passes for acceptable for laptops and desktops.
@GrapheneOS @Flittermouse
The "elitist" comment wasn't meant as criticism; it's because the audience seeking that level of security is quite limited and not necessarily the average user, who isn't as concerned about privacy and security. It wasn't a negative criticism. I belonged to that "elite" myself because of my previous work in security.
The "elitist" comment wasn't meant as criticism; it's because the audience seeking that level of security is quite limited and not necessarily the average user, who isn't as concerned about privacy and security. It wasn't a negative criticism. I belonged to that "elite" myself because of my previous work in security.
@archigato @Flittermouse There's a huge audience interested in having private and secure devices. Providing the bare minimum of standard privacy/security patches and important standard hardware-based defenses rules out nearly all Android devices. iPhones have much better security than the vast majority of Android devices. Out of the Android devices supporting installing another OS, the only ones with similar security protections are Pixels. People who want privacy/security mostly buy iPhones.
@Flittermouse @archigato GrapheneOS is privacy project and privacy depends on security. We have very reasonable hardware security requirements which are listed at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices. We only expect industry standard updates and security features. The only non-Pixel Android devices meeting these requirements don't allow using another OS. We're officially partnered with Motorola and they're making devices meeting these requirements with official GrapheneOS support.
@Flittermouse @archigato GrapheneOS is a highly usable production quality OS with broad app compatibility. It isn't a niche choice only for people who are highly committed to privacy. It's very usable as a daily driver. The vast majority of Android apps are fully functional on GrapheneOS. In practice, the only apps unavailable on GrapheneOS are a tiny subset banning using any alternate OS with the Play Integrity API or similar methods. 90% of banking apps work and 99.999% of other apps
@GrapheneOS @Flittermouse
That's already progress because Motorola phones are even more affordable than Pixels. I like both and I have nothing against Android or Google, although I'd like a bit more freedom. But I'm more convinced by Motorola.
That's already progress because Motorola phones are even more affordable than Pixels. I like both and I have nothing against Android or Google, although I'd like a bit more freedom. But I'm more convinced by Motorola.