Mastodawn

Michael Gemar Mar 7

@Adrenochrome @GhostOnTheHalfShell That’s amazing!

Jes Mar 7

@Adrenochrome Is the tool second from the left a little candle snuffer?

@Jesticulated @Adrenochrome

clew Mar 7

I think it's probably a second kind of hoof-cleaner. (Getting little stones out of the soft part of a horse hoof before they seriously damage the horse is *really important*. And as a snuffer, I think the scoop is facing wrong way.)

Guillotine Jones, Flâneur Mar 7

@Adrenochrome
Looks practical AF.

Henri Verymetaldev Mar 7

*welcomes his next setup*

Theriac Mar 7

@Adrenochrome
love the notch which doubles as locking tools closed and open - an elegant solution

Gabriel Pettier Mar 7

@Theriac @Adrenochrome wanted to comment on that too, i wonder how much force it requires to open the "spring" that connects both sides so that the notch can be overcome, must have been some work tweaking that, to make it weak enough it’s possible, but strong enough the tools stay locked when you use them. Nice design.

Theriac Mar 7

@tshirtman @Adrenochrome
I imagine the horseshoe shape is the spring.

Gabriel Pettier Mar 7

@Theriac @Adrenochrome yes, that’s what i meant, it’s both a protection between the tool and things directly aligned to them, and the spring that holds the whole thing together.

https://archive.org/details/1800-mechanical-movements-devices-and-appliances_202005/page/294/mode/2up

Gabriel Pettier Mar 7

@Theriac @Adrenochrome Which reminds me, many of us probably underestimate how big mechanics was in the 19th century, i fetched this PDF sometime ago, following a maker’s recommendation, for inspiration, it shows a *lot* of contraptions, some generic, some very specific, a lot of human ingenuity went into these creations.

1800 Mechanical Movements, Devices And Appliances : Gardner D. Hiscox : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

A fascinating compendium of early-20th-century mechanical devices, this expansive work rangesfrom basic hooks and levers to complex machinery used in steam,...

Internet Archive

Claudia Zahn Mar 7

@Theriac @tshirtman

I just learned Underwood made a lot of things I would love to have...

Ronan Mar 7

@tshirtman @Theriac @Adrenochrome same. Was just going to say it, then I thought maybe someone already spotted that. Such a neat little touch

Lucy Smith Mar 7

@Adrenochrome such a cool object!

#blacksmith
#blacksmithing
#ironwork

clew Mar 7

I know there are blacksmiths around -- who can tell us just how hard this is to make?

Look how the big drill isn't consistent! I can recommend _One Good Turn_ for the history of threading.

Hello im a blacksmith. And alsp trained under a verry good farrier for a time
This is not espacialy hard but is time consumeing

It seems like its been made to be impossible to separetly turn each hoofpick?

Makeing the thing

1 create loops by bending thin bar
or upset(widen) ends of a bar and punch a hole in each (more time consumeing)
2 bend the back of the lyre shape
3 pass thin bar through the loops / punched holes
4 make the tools and flatten the ends that you will wrap around the thin bar
5 repeatedly heat the flattened area of each tool and wrap the flattened part around the thin bar

This is easyer to make in a coal/coke forge

Also its possible to get each tool atached prettly stiffly so they dont jangle around but i would probably add something so when they eventualy loosen you can lock them in place in their compact position

To do this id add another thin bar for the tools to rest against,and another on a rivet that slides over the other side to hold them in place

- but i cant figire out how to describe this part well

@festlicheameise @clew @Adrenochrome

Hamish Buchanan Mar 8

Or a snug leather pouch they fit into?

its Ameise Mar 8

@hamishb good point that would work well

Tim McCormack Mar 8

@festlicheameise @clew @Adrenochrome Yeah, I'm intrigued by that little sideways bump on the tool bases.

I suspect it actually acts as a detent so that pivoting the tools out requires outward pressure on the spine, but click back into place when upright.

its Ameise Mar 8

@timmc @clew @Adrenochrome oh yeah that could work if theres a little flex in the lyre and they are still allowed to turn without being under too murch force it will act aas the spring and hold them all in either the open or closed position

That would be verry good design if it can work

@festlicheameise @timmc @Adrenochrome

clew Mar 8

I’m curious about the letters stamped in - what does it take to make crisp tiny impressions? Steel? Is that probably machined or cast or???

🇺🇦 haxadecimal 🚫👑Mar 8

@festlicheameise @clew @Adrenochrome
I think one could earn a small fortune making and selling these now. Volume wouldn't be enormous, but there are people who would pay a kilobuck or more for one.

its Ameise Mar 9

@brouhaha @clew @Adrenochrome maybee i will try then

I only have part of a forge setup right now and im busy re-setting up but it would be fun to do a bit of testing

🇺🇦 haxadecimal 🚫👑Mar 9

@festlicheameise @clew @Adrenochrome
If I had better 3D CAD skills, I'd try to make a CAD design, print plastic for a fit check, then have a service bureau 3D print it out of metal. It would take some finishing steps to get the cast iron color and texture.

MostlyTato Mar 7

@Adrenochrome
That is magnificent and I want one.

die_christine Mar 7

@Adrenochrome It reminds me of my favorite modern tool.

Claudia Zahn Mar 7

@die_christine

Oh ja! Ich habe das als Inbus, Torx und Kreuz/Schlitz. Super praktisch!

die_christine Mar 7

@Adrenochrome Das kann nur Inbus, aber in allen gängigen Größen.
Da muss man nicht nochmal in den Keller rennen, nur weil man den falschen genommen hat.
Und durch den dicken Griff hat man einen guten "Grip".

oscarfalcon Mar 8

I see this, and NOW I want one.

Lizzie---Mar 8

@Adrenochrome that is gorgeous

Yes, I love it. 🥰

@Adrenochrome
#Alttext
Left to right the tools are:
Large hoof cleaner
Small hoof cleaner (?)
Narrow corkscrew (?)
Gimlet
Wide corkscrew
Narrow awl
Saw
Flatblade screwdriver
Wide awl
Hook

Sherlock would have had a separate set of lock picks.
#SherlockHolmes

nowhereman (nicht der andere!)Mar 8

@skua @Adrenochrome
But no knife, what probably means, that a knife is not needed because everyone had one. This gives me a different look on old pictures from that time.
Knifes everywhere?

skua Mar 8

@Nowhereman @Adrenochrome
Yes.
And yet "knife crime" wasn't usually seen as a big problem? (Though the Sydney razor gangs were.)

Today a lot of rural manual workers would usually have a knife still I think.

@skua

#2 is not for extinguishing candles?

skua Mar 8

https://www.core77.com/posts/128506/A-19th-Century-Multi-Tool-Design

I don't know.

Others have suggested #2 is a measure for powders, or a hole-punch for leather. A photo showing it end-on would help decide.

A 19th-Century Multi-Tool Design - Core77

This 19th- or early-20th-century multitool, posted on the Tools subReddit, is by British cutler Underwood. Image: special_evan Underwood, a London-based family concern, was in business from 1820 to 1925. While that postdates the Industrial Revolution, this object appears to have been hand-forged rather than mass-produced. The design is

Core77

Thank you!

I wondered, "What powders?" and then thought of gunpowder (as muzzle loading was still the standard in 1850).

But every antique black powder measure I see on the internet is made from brass. Sparks caused by iron weren't wanted near gunpowder.

As for a hole punch - the flare our appears far beyond what a hole punch would have.

Edit: The photos of the Barrett version weigh against both hoof cleaner and small roundish spokeshave/scraper.

Candle/lamp snuffer?
#Veterinarian

Lily Star Mar 8

@Adrenochrome steampunk leatherman

@starlily

Yap! Teat's may fav name! Thank you!
(I do looooooove Steampunk!)

Ferdi Groenewald

Mar 8

@Adrenochrome this is amazing, wow!

https://archive.org/search?tab=fulltext&query=%22for+removing+stones+from+horses%27+hooves

Bodhipaksa Mar 8

@Adrenochrome In the children's books we read in the sixties and early seventies, it seemed that every boy character carried around a pocket knife that included "a tool for removing stones from horses' hooves." This was such a common phrase that archive.org has more than 150 books that contain it. Of course we hardly ever saw a horse...

Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Texts, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine

Deborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦Mar 8

@Adrenochrome @hamishb it has very old lineage!
https://techhub.social/@rayckeith/116054633059712965

Third Foundation (@[email protected])

"These four multitools are artifacts from the Roman Empire circa AD 100–200. They are severely anomalous. No expert on ancient Rome ever expected to discover tools like these. There’s not a whisper about them in any historical document. "Held in the hand, gazed at, it looks weird and it acts weird. Its decor is weird and its engineering is weird. It’s the weirdest multitool in the world. "This device is so anachronistic, and so peculiar, that it ranks as a weird sister of the extremely weird “Antikythera Mechanism.” That bronze Greek computer also has no known name. It was named after the shipwreck where that computer was found. "The ancient multitool was found in graves, rather than found in some shipwreck, but the same Antikythera principle applies. It was entirely lost to mankind and it reappeared by sheer accident, and people stared at it in disbelief for a hundred years and wondered what-the-hell." https://bruces.medium.com/ancient-everyday-weirdness-591955f40a2d?source=rss-818999f7d461------2

TechHub

Hamish Buchanan Mar 8

Wow!

@deborahh @Adrenochrome

Dean Farrar Mar 8

@Adrenochrome
Like an early Swiss Army Knife, but more aesthetically pleasing.

Eli the Bearded Mar 8

I've searched for more information and found one listing of the tools:

A hook used to untie knots.
A scoop for measuring medication.
A screw starter.
A different screw starter.
A corkscrew.
A toothpick or possibly an awl.
A saw blade.
A flathead screwdriver.
A pick.
A hook to snag fishing lines.

Myself, I don't think that's a toothpick. Looks like an awl. And the last hook gives me button hook vibes, for fastening your boot and spat buttons. The scoop also seems questionable

@elithebearded

Thank you!
I thought #2 was for extinguishing candles!

Eli the Bearded Mar 8

Maybe. We can't see it well. That's a bit small for a snuffer

@elithebearded

So we can agree that it doesn't matter what it is, it's beautiful, and we want it.

Eli the Bearded Mar 8

Agreed

cathos Mar 8

@Adrenochrome I'm impressed - especially by the little detents in the hinge to make the bits all stay closed or opened!

ratfactor Mar 9

@cathos @Adrenochrome I came here to say the same thing about the detents and how the tension for them appears to be elegantly provided by the main outer loop. Great design!

https://www.loesdau.de/horse-friends-hufkratzer-7116.html

@Adrenochrome At least for foldable hoofpicks, there are still similar designs around. But unfortunately without the finesse of the original. And no extra tools. I've got this model:

Horse-friends Hufkratzer - Hufkratzer & Hufpinsel - Loesdau - Passion Pferdesport

Horse-friends Hufkratzer - Hufkratzer von Horse-friends - Klappbar & vielseitig einsetzbarDer klappbare Hufkratzer von Horse-friends ist der ideale Begleiter für deine Ausritte und den täglichen Stall

@katzentratschen

Ich frage jetzt mal blöd nach:
Damit muss man sehr vorsichtig sein, oder?

@Adrenochrome Inwiefern? Der Dorn hat dieselbe Form wie bei anderen Hufkratzern.

@katzentratschen
Ich bin keine Reiterin.
Muss man da nicht aufpassen, wenn man den Huf säubert/auskratzt?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pferdehuf_huf_unten.jpg

@Adrenochrome Ach so, ja, das gilt allgemein. Manchmal setzen sich Steine zwischen Eckstrebe und Wand oder – besonders bei unbeschlagenen Pferden – zwischen weiße Linie und Hufwand. Die pokelt man dann vorsichtig mit dem Hufkratzer raus.

An den Strahl, das »Dreieck« in der Mitte, geht man damit gar nicht ran. Der ist viel weicher

File:Pferdehuf huf unten.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

@katzentratschen

Vielen Dank! Ich glaube, das würde ich mich nie getrauen. In meinem Gehirn ist abgespeichert "Obacht, Pferde sind sehr empfindlich, ob beim Essen wegen Koliken, bei gebrochenen Knochen oder sonstigem, das ist oft ein Todesurteil.". Ich finde Pferde wunderschön, egal ob Warm- oder Kaltblüter, die Nüstern sind soooo warm - aber wehe , wenn sie krank sind.

@Adrenochrome Ganz so schlimm ist es nicht. Man braucht nur wie bei allen Geschöpfen genügend Wissen, um ihren Bedürfnissen gerecht zu werden.