anerdchistMar 7
jack

#Mozilla wants to know what you want from them and, in particular, #Firefox.

Let.

Them.

Know.

https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

What Is Your Dream for Mozilla?

Jan 18 at 7:25pmWeb
Show threadKolokoko Bird!Jan 18
@jack Thank you for this. I did let. them. know.
Show threadMattChippyteaJan 21
@jack @KolokokoBird I wonder if “no fucking ai” is clear enough for them
Show threadKolokoko Bird!Jan 22
@Wifiwits @jack I certainly hope so!
Show threadnjsgJan 19
@jack I can't find hits for tfaforms or "what is your dream for mozilla" on mozillafoundation.org or mozilla.org, where have they been announcing this?
Show threadjackJan 19
@njsg Interesting. I got the notice via a Signal group chat about Linux & FOSS.
Show threadEinsPossum, Hass-Ära 2.0Jan 20
@jack @njsg any news about wether this is legit? I clicked through it like a lot of other people and now im worried.
Show threadpaleblueJan 20
@njsg @jack yeah I'm skeptical too
Show threadIris Young (he/they/she) (PhD)Jan 19

@jack Done and done. My answer to "what do you most want to see":

"Mozilla is well aware that a large proportion of its users do not want AI. This survey was designed to circumvent and obscure that. I most want to see Mozilla backtrack from this sort of dishonesty, act in good faith, and divest from AI completely."

Copying the survey link here in case this reply gets separated: https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

What Is Your Dream for Mozilla?

Show threadJared White (ResistanceNet ✊)Jan 19
@jack oh I definitely let them know 😂
Show threadkwayk42Jan 19
@jack I hope they get my message to fuck off and protect users by blocking or banning AI content and AI features
Show threadsroyJan 19
@jack their survey is garbage because the last question about ai is a loaded biased one where none of the options are “fuck ai” also environmental collapse caused by ai datacenter is also absent…
Show threadPonderStibbonsJan 19

@jack

I filled in the survey and answered the last question "What do you want from Mozilla":

"Absolutely NO AI of any kind.

I have already migrated my most used two ( of 4) devices OFF of Firefox because of your insane commitment to AI.

"AI" is the lie used by big tech to pretend they can keep growing (h/t Cory Doctorow)

The "AI" Emporer has no clothes. "

Show threadBenjamin Sonntag-KingJan 19
@jack Thanks ! done !
Show threadEldeberenJan 19
@jack They forgot the most important options, to both questions ._.

I want Mozilla's focusing on Firefox as a Web browser (not an AI agent, or whatever)

And the biggest concerns about AI is (its lack of) sustainability, both ecological and societal
Show threadDavid GerardJan 19
@Eldeberen @jack I put that under "other" on q 1 and 2
Show threadTobiasJan 19
@davidgerard @Eldeberen @jack And selected none of the "Select 3"
Show threadnimu εїз🖖🏻🦝Jan 19
@jack weird how they have an option for "responsible use of AI" instead of something like "no AI" or "letting users choose if they want AI or not". i feel like if i check "responsible use of AI" i'm in some way consenting to having AI as default in my browser. kinda manipulative way to phrase it if u ask me
Show threadnimu εїз🖖🏻🦝Jan 19
@jack ugh, this entire form made me so mad. the whole time i felt like i was being coerced into answering i wanted AI in some way, or at least "open, ethical" AI. and after that they tried to make me donate to mozilla 🤡 am i a joke to them
Show threadRichard W. Woodley ELBOWS UP 🇨🇦🌹🚴‍♂️📷 🗺️Jan 19
@jack
Show threadDavid GerardJan 19
@jack oh boy did i let them know
Show threadLandry MINOZAJan 19
@jack
What do you want to see from Mozilla in the future?
« No AI
No vibe coded browser
More small web
Give us RSS buttons back
Each version should use less hardware resources than the previous
No more multi-million $ staff pushing for enshitification »
Show threadKinguJan 19

@jack

Interesting

but I don't want to choose between "Open and trustworthy AI training datasets" or "Ensuring that AI is not used maliciously" or "Transparency into how AI systems and tools actually work"

I want no AI at all and this is not even an option....

What flavour of AI do you want up your bum?, they ask...

Show threadCardboard!Jan 19
@jack well i filled it in and said in the Other boxes that i don't want AI features and that i'm tired of techbros and investors pushing AI into every little thing, and at the end i did the cave johnson lemon rant but with a twist.
Show threadyndJan 19
@jack How do we know this poll is actually done by the Mozilla Foundation ?
Doesn't seem to comply with GDPR to me.
@benjamin
Show threadSebastian LasseJan 19

@jack

well, it would be #Firefox –
particular, the browser in it ;)

[done]

Show threadSebastian LasseJan 19

@jack

What to see in the future, they ask after dropping AI in nearly any line. A bit biased, so:
„
REALLY:
just the browser, we need 1 independent browser.
No gaming, AI hype doom or cloning Mark.
Just an independent browser.
Let Mozilla be a Leica M3.
Please.
„

#mozilla #survey
https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

What Is Your Dream for Mozilla?

Show threadmaradoJan 19
@jack What do I want from Mozilla? Well, "A Web Browser I can use without having to accept any Terms Of Use.", to start...
Show threadVincent TunruJan 19

@jack I think you might be giving people a false idea by saying "and, in particular, #Firefox" - the survey doesn't mention Firefox, and it's by the Mozilla Foundation, which is not directly responsible for developing Firefox. The Mozilla Corporation is, and while it's a subsidiary of the Foundation, the latter doesn't exert that much direct control.

(I do work at the Corporation, but not on Firefox. This was also the first I heard about this survey.)

Show threadNivex 🐧 📻Jan 19
@jack Submitted!
Show thread(╯°□°）╯︵ snuoɹɥɔoJan 19
@jack @Meyerweb eh, loaded AF
Show threadMirkoJan 19
@jack you can submit the form without any checked boxes (happened to me by accident). Doesn’t give me confidence in that they actually wanna know.
Show threadmauvedeityJan 19
@jack I filled in the form, saying “No AI at all, ever”. Unsurprisingly, the form’s response was “Connection Lost”. FFS.
Show threadpetitevieilleJan 19

@jack

« An open source browser WITHOUT FUCKING AI. Please. Keep Firefox what it has always been, from the times it was still called Phoenix. A friend, not a foe. »

Show threadHaraldJan 19
@jack I skimmed the questions. A bit like asking your vegan customers if they like their steak medium or well done.🤦‍♀️
Show threadjackJan 19
@HaraldKi Yes, it is a f***ing gaslighting festival. But you can choose none by the most suggestive choices and they even have free text!!1!11!!!!eleven
Show threadSarahVJan 19
@jack May I ask how you found out about this? I can't find an official Mozilla account or website linking to this.
Show threadH.Lunke & SockeJan 19

@jack

Just do not use that fuck AI shit at all.

Show threadVito Sartori (ヴィト) 🦊Jan 19
@jack thank you for posting this!
Show thread🌱🏴‍🅰️🏳️‍⚧️🐧🔧📎 AmbiyelpJan 19

@jack I filled it in I'm very anti AI. I told them at the end to immediately restore the japanese languasge translator work they paved over with AI slop

https://linuxiac.com/ai-controversy-forces-end-of-mozilla-japanese-sumo-community/

#Mozilla #AISlop #GenAI #Japanese #Translation

AI Controversy Forces End of Mozilla’s Japanese SUMO Community

The SUMO Japanese team quits en masse, accusing Mozilla’s AI system of erasing years of community translation work.

Linuxiac
Show threadAttilaxJan 19

@jack

Done. Tx.

Even the questionary is AI oriented...

Show threadMike Taylor 🦕Jan 19

@jack Done. My reply to "What do you want to see from Mozilla in the future?":

Absolutely no AI whatsoever. It's everywhere already. We don't need more of it from Mozilla. Just make the browser work better for browsing.

Making AI functionality opt-out is not nearly good enough. Making it opt-in is barely tolerable, but still an appalling waste of time and effort that should be spent elsewhere. Instead, just don't do it at all. Show some tech leadership.

https://mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net/201

What Is Your Dream for Mozilla?

Show threadCheapPontoonJan 19

@jack
Would a biased survey form.
As if they’re unaware of the ecological issues associated with AI?
As if they’re unaware of how pissed off we are that we can’t run a decent ad blocker?

A typical corporate tactic: divide and pretend our preferences are incompatible with each other.

F-sticks.

Show threadcraignicolJan 20

@jack I went with

Understanding that the current use of LLMs is undermining the mechanisms of the web. It's caused everyone to put up paywalls, search engines are using AI summaries to cut human traffic to websites whilst hammering their hosts, they're causing funding problems for open source (such as tailwind) whilst creating massive overhead for OSS projects dealing with DoS-by-PR where maintainers become overwhelmed by poor quality, large PRs.

Show threadMaria Langer | 📝💎🌵🛥️Jan 20
@jack @kboyd I like the way they ask for a donation at the end of the survey.🙄
Show threadOlivier BergerJan 20
@jack
Poke @moznews
Show threadSimonJan 20
@jack done 🙌
Show threadRGJan 20
@jack @robin “I want Mozilla to shake-off this pressure to introduce AI into their already laggy and resource hog browser. All efforts should first be directed to making Firefox work nimble. Use AI to comb through code, run perf traces and do the hardcore engineering work first.”
Show threadGlorrionJan 20
@jack Done and done. ✅ Needless to say that I've condemned their strange desire with AI and I don't want anything of this in my browser.
Show threadKaitoJan 20

@jack Unfortunately Mozilla already has a history of leaving a social network it doesn't want to listen to.

I'm not expecting anything.

What I expect from Mozilla: Get back to Mastodon and listen to people who care.

Show thread☮ ♥ ♬ 🧑‍💻Jan 20
@jack 👊
Show threadIainMac9 🇦🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇸🇩Jan 20
@jack done, thanks
Show threadSchall und StilleJan 20
@jack you mean, like this? 🙂
Show threadjavensbukanJan 20
@jack Doneeeee!
Show thread*_jߍyropeJan 20
@jack Most i wrote boils down to "Get rid of AI, return to your former self"
Show threadBen Gillam Jan 20

@jack @nfd That was nice and quick

Select other “I want Mozilla to stop being sheep and remove the ai bullshit nobody asked for”

*Submit*

Show threadSebastian HansJan 23
@jack Not putting “AI” in isn't even offered as an option. You have to select “other” and spell it out. Grmph.
Show threadTofu MusubiJan 25
@jack
My comment to Mozilla at the end of their survey on the use of #AI in #tech :