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“When we fight, we fight to win”
**Against people who can’t fight back.
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War is not about being nice. It is about being in a position to force the other side, or having leverage in negotiations.
Iran has its own advantages: home bases, being able to selectively block Hormuz (only Iranian oil flows through).
That ship was on its way to be a tool in that blockade, and the US is trying to lift that blockade. The first thing it needs is to get rid of the Iranian war ships.
The US has not declared war yet, AFAIK. A few decades ago, a certain Roosevelt called a strike by the Japanese against the US Naval Base Pearl Harbour - without declaring War first - a 'Day of infamy', in his famous speech.
Teddy was right.
How is this not a crime? They are admitting to murder.
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(And don't forget the crime of just leaving any survivors to drown.)
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I gather (from just stuff I've seen and read generally) that there's a kind of informal international club of submarine captains.
That guy is going to get chucked out of a social club that barely exists.
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Nowadays civilian ships are either cargo ships with a small team or cruise ship.
This was not one. This is a war ship that belonged to some branch of the Iranian armed forces (military or Revolutionary Guard).
@meuwese "At least 87 Iranian sailors were killed in the attack on the Iris Dena. The frigate was sailing in international waters as it returned from a naval exercise organised by India in the Bay of Bengal.
The torpedo strike prompted questions from former US officials about whether Washington’s aim of eliminating all of Iran’s military breached international law. ...
“An American submarine sank an Iranian warship that thought it was safe," said Pete Hegseth, the ex-Fox News host now leading the Pentagon as defence secretary.
The ship was transiting home after participating in training exercises hosted by the Indian navy at the time of the strike. India had convened naval assets from 74 countries for a March exercise."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/04/us-submarine-torpedo-iran-warship-sri-lanka-coast-pete-hegseth
Is the attack on this ship -within this probably illegal war- really a war crime?
It was a war ship of a conflicting party, and they had time to sail to a neutral harbour (Saturday to Wednesday morning) with the highly chance of getting into internment, the captain obviously decided against.
And would have been the submarine be obligated to help the survivors?
So, I'm no lawyer, but I'm really interesed how this handled by law. Not from a moralistic point of view.
Yes, Felonious POTUS and Sec.Hegseth particularly enjoy blowing up defenseless vessels. They are both homicidal maniacs
They've been sinking defenceless ships for months and patting themselves on the back though. Just look at the Gulf of Mexico.
Sadistic child-raping planetwreckers, that's who.
This is the kind of behavior everyone should expect from war profiteers. They have no conscience, no hearts, no decency of any kind. The same types of people who love chasing homeless people back and forth across town, throwing away all their belongings at every turn. The same types of people who deny health insurance to the sick so they can keep more profits to buy yachts with. The same types of people who clearcut old growth forests, poison rivers, charge money for vaccines, cover up the science of cigarette health risks, sneer at empathy, hate democracy, and invest in mass surveillance instead of mitigating climate change.
They're not even hiding the fact that they want to be supervillains anymore.
Monsters. We are being ruled by monsters.
A US submarine sank Iran's warship IRIS Dena in the Indian Ocean. The incident occurred within Sri Lanka's waters. At least 87 sailors died. Iran's foreign minister warned of US regret. The IRIS Dena was in the region for naval exercises with India. Sri Lanka conducted a rescue and recovery operation.
Read a few paragraphs and was impressed that this article (Economic Times) offered some credible facts about the incident, but when confronted by both a firewall AND multiple layers of popups, I tend to be recalcitrant. So don't bother showing me the teaser paragraphs. You not only did not get a sale, you pretty much guaranteed that I will never buy from you.
Edit: I'm sorry! My complaint was re:the Economic Times. Not Alison's or Jasper's helpful information.
@oldclumsy_nowmad my adblocker must have blocked that.
I pretty much posted links to what looked good and i could find quickly.
As far as i remember the articles did not mention the unarmed-as-part-of-exercise part. Infact the first one mentions arms, but it may be mistaking what is was designed for with what it was actually carrying.
Sorry, Jasper, my sloppy comment did seem to criticize you. That's NOT what I meant. I thank you for pointing out the articles. Unlike many posts, these you listed did furnish info to show what happened. The articles you indicated helped, by providing some facts.
My complaint was about the Economic Times' market strategy. I don't object if they charge for their work, but it's annoying that they hit you with multiple pop-up ads before they tell you how much they want for access.
We'd actually have to be prosecuting war crimes for that to happen. Doesn't seem like that happens anymore.
I imagine this is exactly how that alcoholic crusading bimbo, Peter Hegseth, gets his dates.
Just his Viagra talkin
@AlisonCreekside It is very debatable which side of this conflict India will take. On one hand it's a key player of BRICS alongside Russia and China. On the other its the only country in the world that has consistently cheered on and fully supported the genocide against #palestine
Indian-Iranian relations are complex at best. But,
bombing India's unarmed invited guests probably doesn't do the Israel-US side any favours.
It's going to take generations of ethical and moral good behavior for the US to regain the (imperfect) reputation for fair dealing that this Trump regime of thieves, fraudsters, and murderers have squandered in such a short time.
It's going to take one hundred years. THEN, if the US does something extraordinarily good, and unselfish, for all of humanity, those future people may start talking to us, again.
... Just quantifying "generations".
The Iranian ship will not be where it was if we had not invited it to talk part in our Milan exercise. We were the hosts. I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition. It was defenceless. The Iranian naval personnel had paraded before our president . The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship’s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind. The US has ignored India’s sensitivities as the ship was in these waters because of India’s invitation. We are far from politically or militarily responsible for the US attack. Our“responsibility” is at a moral and human plane. A word of condolence by the Indian Navy ( after political clearance) at the loss of lives of those who were our invitees and saluted our president would be in order.
@AlisonCreekside The thing about bottomless pits is that you are always shocked when you pass that point where you think there could be no further down.
The reason being is that you just didn't have imagination enough.
This is our new lowest of lows, but it's not the bottom. Trump's dragging us all the way down with him. There's something lower than being a pedophile who has his friends disarm his enemies so he can kill them and brag about his strength. As we become that thing we'll learn.
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So the US knew the location of the Iranian ship off Sri Lanka bc both the US and Iran were part of a military exercise hosted by India
And the disgusting assholes knew it was defenseless.
They also just left the crew to drown.
Killed Junior school children in an illegal double tap attack.
I hope the actions are payed back a thousant times
usa can not be trusted in any way, it should be isolated.
ALL their troops and weapons must be removed from EU ASAP as a liability.
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