Andy H
Greenpeace InternationalYou know what WONโT get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
Tom DB ๐ฆฃ@greenpeace Pity the sun doesnโt shine at night and battery complexes arenโt yet build over there. Weโre not yet at the right stage for this comment.
VNKR@TomDB @greenpeace and who's fault it is the battery storage systems are not more widely used?
This is exactly the time for this comment. We need to stop burning fossil fuels as a society.
@vnkr @greenpeace So, the game is blaming? It's not a pissing contest for blame. Regulatory issues, totally agree on that one. Recycling and energy capacity issues, also agree. Outdated current technology, maybe. But shouting who's to blame will not help us one inch further into a better battery solution. More money to science maybe.
Putting a stop to burning fuels...is ...currently....not ....globally ...possible.
DoubleD@TomDB @vnkr @greenpeace Follow the $$. The Petroleum Industry owns the world and they are NOT giving up all they reap from it! People need to push for more solar and wind. So this is a perfect opportunity for them too have their voices amplified!!
@Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace No, governments need to do that. People are not making up the rules to sway those policies when powerful lobbyist are at work behind the scenes. Itโs about policy.
@Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace I feel Greenpeace is barking at the wrong tree, we all, myself included, do want a change in energy use. But we already know that. It still is a process, which takes time, more than we want but still it does. Amplifying a message is nice, playing along the policy way to change it is better. They should TALK more and invest in the science communication of it to pursuade them.
@TomDB @vnkr @greenpeace I will continue the conversation but will ALWAYS PUSH FOR A CLEAN AIR PLANET SURVIVAL STRATEGY. Sorry my caps lock stayed on. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ Billionaires have had their day dictating how I live. Iโm a loud and proud planet advocate ๐
@Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace I applaud that, and I also wish for that future, but again, that was not my point. We're just not ready from a practical standpoint to switch all the fossil fuels right now to no fossil use. And greenpeace has been stubborn in keeping that narrative to the people like it already is. It's just not. Don't I want less fossil use? Off course I do. But I'm not blind for the reality of the present. No worries on the caps-lock ;-)
@TomDB @vnkr @greenpeace If we wait till the world ( who really does that mean?) is readyโฆ well women wouldnโt vote, disease would still kill off babies ( soap was a game changer) oceans would all be polluted, weโd have never been capable of any change at all!!! We are watching as our forests die, as our ocean mammals suffer, as our planet screams ENOUGH! Waiting for Ready is just a state of inertia. Sometimes ready is NOW!
@TomDB @Meema1616 @greenpeace governments absolutely need to do that. But they won't do that if we don't tell them it needs to be done.
@vnkr @Meema1616 @greenpeace I havenโt met many governments that listened to their citizens unfortunately. ๐ซค
Lotneuv@TomDB @Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace Actually its the people unfortunately. The lobbyists that turn governments heads are paid with the money coming from consumers. If you don't buy from them they wont get paid and then they stop. Better still, buy renewables and let those companies have money for their lobbying.
No amount of government interventions have stopped narcotics trade. If there is demand supply will fight whatever obstacles even when things are clearly dangerous.
Just stop using.
@TomDB @greenpeace ah, you are right. Let's not mention it then. Just keep using oil.
The comment was designed to provoke a thought that perhaps there's a better way of powering out lives. But alas, not currently possible. Dismissed :)
@vnkr @greenpeace And so the common people can really sway the regulatory side, yeah, totally true. so yeah, this comment is very useful in this platform.
Iโd rather see them pressuring governments. Iโm all for that.
@TomDB @greenpeace only common people together can do anything. Governments won't do shit if not pushed from below.
And making common people think about these topics is the first step into making some of them act.
And making common people think about these topics is the first step into making some of them act.
Supermoosie@vnkr @TomDB @greenpeace
Batteries supplying up to 9% of demand at night.
We have seen batteries charge with cheap solar, discharge all night, dump remaining energy before 6am and start the solar charging cycle again.
We have had 252,000 household battery systems have been installed with a total storage capacity of 6,280 megawatt-hours, in just 6 months.
Meanwhile there is a ever expanding amount of grid batteries being built or in development. Getting bigger and longer duration.
There is also pumped hydro storage, hydro. Wind etc.
Maybe your government just isn't trying.
Canvases By Peter ๐ต๐ธ@SuperMoosie @vnkr @greenpeace Tom is just another troll, it's obvious, best to just block and not even bother.
@TomDB @greenpeace Bull ๐ฉ
@Meema1616 @greenpeace Proove me wrong based on science, the current geopolitics and with regard for lands use for global renewable energy compared to land use for foods if that's all you can post.
You are being misled about renewable energy technology.
@TomDB @greenpeace You ask for science and I return with ecological advantage. Solar panels produce zero greenhouse gases (GHGs) like carbon dioxide during operation.
A single residential system can offset approximately 100,000 pounds of carbon over 20 years, equivalent to planting over 100 trees annually.
Long term the distribution of solar or wind gives this planet a longer life. Lining pockets of petroleum billionaires not so much.
A single residential system can offset approximately 100,000 pounds of carbon over 20 years, equivalent to planting over 100 trees annually.
Long term the distribution of solar or wind gives this planet a longer life. Lining pockets of petroleum billionaires not so much.
@greenpeace You still have no solution for when it's dark. The time when we all are using (hopefully) electricity to heat our houses. They won't work then. I hope we all already know that not using fossil fuels is an ecological advantage but that was never my point. My point was about the practicality of providing the global population with the necessary energy. Ecological advantage has no meaning when you can't produce electricity when it's dark.
LillyLyle/Count Melancholia
Mark@TomDB @greenpeace Sure we are. The current oil pinch is a great opportunity to call for accelerating renewables & storage, and keeping fossil carbon in the ground.
Lower our energy bills!
Gas companies are raking in high profits while our household bills go up. I've had enough, haven't you? In this world of crisis and chaos, homegrown wind and solar is the only way to guarantee lower, more stable energy bills for Britain. Let's make the UK Government get us off gas.
Andy Gates@TomDB @greenpeace Penfold, hush.
Neo Ehproque@TomDB not *all* the oil in the world is in the Gulf. Oil does not need to become irrelevant for their regimes to be, just a 25% in demand would do. Yet here we are @greenpeace
@TomDB @greenpeace Actually we are, and if you did basic research you'll see China have been surpassing all other countries in this regard.
see shy jo
Alex Rio@Rio @greenpeace no, only if the cost is right. Not everyone can afford it though.
@TomDB
Not only the cost for the current year, a BESS can secure ~60 to 80% of the electricity need for 10 or 20 years.
@greenpeace
Not only the cost for the current year, a BESS can secure ~60 to 80% of the electricity need for 10 or 20 years.
@greenpeace
@Rio @greenpeace I am
Aware of that, itโs just that we need 100% and on a continuous level. ~60-80% is not going to cut it. We need to build better and cooperate better. Ow, and get rid of lobbyists.
Aware of that, itโs just that we need 100% and on a continuous level. ~60-80% is not going to cut it. We need to build better and cooperate better. Ow, and get rid of lobbyists.
Tattie@Tattie @greenpeace With the risk of you already knowing: if the wind blows too hard or too little the windmills are on the brake and donโt run. So between 2 and about 5-6 BFT is ideal. Outside those windspeeds/strengths windmillls are shut off. That also limits partly production at night when wind may fall off or be very minimal.
@TomDB wow! You're really opening my eyes as to how limited renewable energy is! And I remember reading all these wonderful articles about how well renewables were doing in, Denmark I think? Not I guess realistically you don't expect them to get past a couple of percent of their electricity generated that way, huh?
@Tattie More than half of Danish energy is from fossil fuel (oil mainly; data from 2023). I still stand by my first statement that we're not there yet to instantly switch from fossil to wind/sun/battery. But hey, you could have looked up that data yourself in stead of giving snarky sarcastic remarks.
@TomDB I'm sorry, I did look it up but I didn't quite believe the data. Are you telling me almost half of their energy is from renewable energy?! And this was three years ago?! That's unbelievable! How did they get past all the shortcomings you brought up earlier? Those sounded pretty insurmountable.
@Tattie Ever look up that they are one of few countries with the 2 largest windfarms. That also means space is used up for other countries. And the load factor is about 20-25 %. So they need a lot of windmils to compensate for service outages, wind still days (yes they do still exist) and replacing of windmills due to wear and tear. You also cannot extrapolate their favourable situation to other countries. Your answer does seem to imply identical situatons for all countries which is not true.
@Tattie And they still have the same shortcomings you so willingly want to ignore. Care to explain why they are still using fossil oil?
@TomDB I can't explain anything to you! I'm totally clueless about renewable energy, whereas you really seem to be an expert in energy production!
So am I understanding you right that sea area availability and cost are the two big limitating factors? But Denmark building all these winds farms is preventing loads of other countries using the same sea? So Denmark is actual building these farms in other countries' water? Or it's buying energy from wind farms owned by other countries?
@Tattie Apparently comprehensive reading is not your forte.
@Tattie Nope, try trolling yourself.
@TomDB it's just... you said that Denmark making all these wind farms is preventing other countries from doing so. So the only way I can understand that is these wind farms must be in other countries waters?
I mean, otherwise, someone seeing this conversation might think you were straight-up lying to discredit renewable energy, but I really don't get that vibe from you. You really do seem to be arguing in good faith. I've probably just misunderstood.
Emil Jacobs - Collectifission@greenpeace And nuclear energy. Works great for years on end without any imports.
Nu Modular@collectifission Keep in mind that China is still too reliant for its oil coming via this route. And if The Belt and Road Initiative is to continue the transition to cleaner energy, like #TMSR tech, then China needs to have this source to implement its new 15 year strategy.
@numodular yeah, I know. I was just responding to some Greenpeace shitposting ๐
But this could create a silver lining: knowing how France went with the Messmer plan as a response to the 1970s oil crisis, this might in fact trigger something similar. It could be the biggest boon for nuclear power in a generation.
Bill Halcyon@greenpeace if too many cargo ships are held up the Chinese solar arrays won't get delivered.
Dubious Blur@greenpeace @bill_halcyon1 trains are great and they exist
๊ฎ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ซ๐ฏ๐ฑ๐จ๐ฑ๐ง@greenpeace geothermal & passivhaus
Raven Luni@greenpeace What if the components for solar and wind farms are on ships going through there?
Standa Lukeลก@RavenLuni
That's certainly unpleasant, but it means you cannot build new ones, you can still use whatever you already have.
Oil gets stuck, economy completely shuts down in a month. Panel get stuck - you have got 10 years to sort it out
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kolya@greenpeace thank god the international logistics of solar and wind tech are not bound by earthly distribution networks.
Michael Collins / Mr. 30ใ / ๐๐ฆ 
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Pretty sure the blades for those wind turbines and the large solar arrays are travelling through the Strait of Hormuz on cargo ships that are no different then oil tankers. 99% of all solar panels come from China, and those blades can be hundreds of feet long.
Pretty sure the blades for those wind turbines and the large solar arrays are travelling through the Strait of Hormuz on cargo ships that are no different then oil tankers. 99% of all solar panels come from China, and those blades can be hundreds of feet long.
Edelruth, PBS Passport Holder๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
notthatkindofdoctor@greenpeace
Nor geothermal or hydroelectric
Nor geothermal or hydroelectric