Greenpeace InternationalYou know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
Tom DB 🦣@greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.
Tattie@Tattie @greenpeace With the risk of you already knowing: if the wind blows too hard or too little the windmills are on the brake and don’t run. So between 2 and about 5-6 BFT is ideal. Outside those windspeeds/strengths windmillls are shut off. That also limits partly production at night when wind may fall off or be very minimal.
@TomDB wow! You're really opening my eyes as to how limited renewable energy is! And I remember reading all these wonderful articles about how well renewables were doing in, Denmark I think? Not I guess realistically you don't expect them to get past a couple of percent of their electricity generated that way, huh?
@Tattie More than half of Danish energy is from fossil fuel (oil mainly; data from 2023). I still stand by my first statement that we're not there yet to instantly switch from fossil to wind/sun/battery. But hey, you could have looked up that data yourself in stead of giving snarky sarcastic remarks.
@TomDB I'm sorry, I did look it up but I didn't quite believe the data. Are you telling me almost half of their energy is from renewable energy?! And this was three years ago?! That's unbelievable! How did they get past all the shortcomings you brought up earlier? Those sounded pretty insurmountable.
@Tattie Ever look up that they are one of few countries with the 2 largest windfarms. That also means space is used up for other countries. And the load factor is about 20-25 %. So they need a lot of windmils to compensate for service outages, wind still days (yes they do still exist) and replacing of windmills due to wear and tear. You also cannot extrapolate their favourable situation to other countries. Your answer does seem to imply identical situatons for all countries which is not true.
@Tattie And they still have the same shortcomings you so willingly want to ignore. Care to explain why they are still using fossil oil?
@TomDB I can't explain anything to you! I'm totally clueless about renewable energy, whereas you really seem to be an expert in energy production!
So am I understanding you right that sea area availability and cost are the two big limitating factors? But Denmark building all these winds farms is preventing loads of other countries using the same sea? So Denmark is actual building these farms in other countries' water? Or it's buying energy from wind farms owned by other countries?
@TomDB it's just... you said that Denmark making all these wind farms is preventing other countries from doing so. So the only way I can understand that is these wind farms must be in other countries waters?
I mean, otherwise, someone seeing this conversation might think you were straight-up lying to discredit renewable energy, but I really don't get that vibe from you. You really do seem to be arguing in good faith. I've probably just misunderstood.