@jerry I would never sign up for an instance that wasn't open. I'm not going to be pre-judged by anybody. Just. No.
Ewww.
I understand the administrative burden, but 🤢.
AI bots yaaaaaay
Honestly, Jerry is doing an amazing job.
I mean if you don't like to be pre-judged, you can always self-host?
@13reak You lock down registrations, you're excluding anyone not willing to write an essay justifying themselves.
And there was no attack on Jerry in that.
@clonezone Seriously? Write an essay? The most you have to do is prove your human by just saying some things. I know you feel like it's a personal attack on you, but it isn't
@clonezone Nothing wrong with open registrations, but it should be done VERY intentionally and only by someone willing to take on that administrative burden. It should be private by default.
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The "administrative burden" for open registration doesn't rest on the admins of that instance.
- It falls on every user who sees the spam it causes and reports that to their own admins.
- It falls on the admins of all the other instances who have to process these reports, act on them and maybe have to decide if it's better to silence or defederate that instance rather than whacking dozens or hundreds of spambots originating there.
- It falls on all those people who have to clean up the mess after someone got taken in by a scam.
@tarix29 Nope. Not going to justify myself in the least to anyone.
Again, I understand that there are administrative costs to this.
But. No. 🤬. Way.
@clonezone @tarix29 But then why are you even here?
Every post on a social platform is a de facto justification, you just want the privilege of being assumed a good guy when there are waves of folks cogently arguing why it's so important to require folks to demonstrate good faith before welcoming them to the community.
@clonezone @tarix29 Consider that a less entitled attitude may be warranted by the nonprofit nature of the platform.
There are no ads, no trackers, no paywalls, no nothing. Each user increases the administrative and technical burden of their instance, and there's nothing to recoup that cost aside from donations. If a user doesn't donate to their instance, then strictly speaking, that's all they are: a burden. The instance is measurably worse off with them on it.
Isn't it a little rude to act like you're entitled to an instance's server space for free?
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@13reak @clonezone @jerry dude I do a lot of self hosting myself but if you really think hosting a fucking social network is something everyone should be doing you really need to go outside and touch some grass. Get in touch with reality. I swear everyone in this thread is a fricking psychopath.
No. Not everyone should close their instances. Most are open and for good reason. Gatekeeping is not a valid solution.
even if all the admin want to do is pre-judge that you're not an AI bot?
@mrose Yes, even in that case.
I will not justify myself to anyone.
@clonezone @jerry while I agree that the administrative burden is indeed something that needs to be taken into account and worked on, I think this would be a change for the better for absolutely everyone.
A lot of people are calling you out on this, notably minorities who have had to go through harassment and that kind of shit – I am one of them – but I also think I understand where you are coming from. The first time I had to do something like that, I was really anxious about it too, but it wasn't at all anything like I was imagining. I think you may have a much more complicated idea of what it's actually going to entail.
You're not going to be vetted by a committee and judged on everything you're saying, you know, it's just going to be a basic sentence like, "Hey, I want to join because of that" and at best, you have to say that yes, you actually have read the proofs and you agree, or hell, you might even have to prove that you've read the rules because there is a little cheeky hidden thing you had to say in your presentation. That's it. That's pretty much how most of these things work. 
Some instances will try and be for some specific groups only. Like, some instances might be just for trans people, for example, and if you're a cis dude, for example, yeah, you're not allowed there, and that's okay, this place is not meant for you. You can probably be on another place that is federated to that place. And if you can't accept that, well... I don't know what to tell you. 
Other places might try and have a certain culture, and if it is deemed that you don't fit that culture, well, too bad, you have to find another instance. And yeah, it might suck being rejected, but at the end of the day, hey, it might be their loss too! 
And finally, and this would be the most common thing, it would be we don't want you to be a bot, we don't want you to be a scammer, and we don't want you to be a Nazi (you're not trying to imply that you are either of these). But if someone is incapable of not using ChatGPT to write just a few sentences about themselves, or can't hold themselves from dogwhistling in three sentences, well, fuck them, that's just the the system working as intended. 
@dragonfrog @jtb @puppygirlhornypost2 @jerry @lamb
What about Michael_Irvin_88?
There were quite a few well-known players with that number in the NFL.
I realize that hardcore NFL fans and mastodon users have a somewhat limited intersection, but there must be a few of them.
@VileOx @jtb @puppygirlhornypost2 @jerry @lamb oh for sure, same as being nerdy about Norse mythology and civilisation and stuff. Nothing wrong with the being into the actual historic period. But if you put a Valrknot as your avi and have a user name that references Odin, you are screaming "I'm a Nazi" and driving a lot of people to avoid you
You may not realize you are, which is why it's a kindness to inform someone of the message they don't realize they're sending.
@VileOx @jtb @puppygirlhornypost2 @jerry @lamb I onc broke the shoelaces on my black Doc Marten boots and was near a shoe store that only had white ones in the right length.
A little later someone kindly informed me that there is a whole boot lace colour code in the punk scene and my white laces on black boots said "I'm a white supremacist".
I bought black laces at the next opportunity.
@dragonfrog @jtb @puppygirlhornypost2 @jerry @lamb
Hardcore dive in the Norse mythology and Mastodon are a match made in Valhalla. I am with you so far. In addition, threre are not so many people who are really into it.
NFL is not even a subculture (unless the whole of the USA is), it is as mainstream as it can be. There are literally millions fans, thousands of whom wear 88 jerseys. Many of the wearers are African-American, and so are the players.
So if I were an admin/moderator, I would probably let it be.
P.S. Some of these things are quite culture specific. Even 4/20 means very different things depending on which shore of the Atlantic you are at.
P.P.S. I would also change the shoelaces, but that is a hyperspecific cultural niche I wonder what would the punk scene aficionados think of a black guy rocking black Doc Martens with white shoelaces (and being quite oblivious of their arcane knowledge).
@mikelovesbikes yes, this is why I am deleting them. But it is just propaganda botnet, they don't target any specific users.
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