Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
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@StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.
We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.
@jfmezei @StefanAlvemo There is a mechanism to suspend a member , the problem is that you need everyone else to agree, and there are currently two countries sabotaging.
(Used to be PL - HU, now it is Slovakia and HU iirc)
@jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.
I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."
@GerardThornley @StefanAlvemo The EU is funding extention of standard gauge rail into Ukraine. They prioritized the Uzhhorod-Chop segment (across river from Zahony Hungary) to make Hungary feel more important within the EU.
(Next is the more important link to connect Lviv to Poland) expected by 2027.)
I think Europe has played it to make it easier to re-integrate Hungary as soon as its people throw out Orban).
@StefanAlvemo I agree (I think) in principle; but it's the how that troubles me: there isn't really an effective mechanism under the Treaties that will allow this, afaik.
Or has that changed? 🤞🏼
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Nope. We should work around them.
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The fossil fuel industry is proposing dismantling the EU for daring a fossil fuel phase out.
https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/
The EU gains autonomy, agency, & sovereignty by switching to renewable energy.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/right-wing-push-to-dismantle-the-eu-heritage-foundations-private-workshop/
Instead of billions going to oil oligarchs & petrostate despots, that money stays home & builds an improved EU with Ukraine as a member.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years
Fossil fuel phase out defunds Putin's wars.
The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU). The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 11 March to hear how they would overhaul the current structures […]
Dismantle oil companies. Break them up.
KICK them OUT
Don't worry, soon Hungary won't be a problem anymore:
Orban’s Poll Support Crumbles as Hungary Opposition Widens Lead
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-25/orban-s-poll-support-crumbles-as-hungary-opposition-widens-lead
@StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Be careful what you wish for. There might come a time when the majority isn’t right or behaves against a particular national interest.
Even in this case, a country is entitled to disagree. If anyone going against a majority automatically equals they are a trojan horse, it’s becoming a slippery slope. Democracy can’t become a tyranny of the majority.
@Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna When we vote for a governments in our countries, they should be empowered to do the things they promised to do. Not be overruled by people from other countries voting for different governments. That's why there are areas in which countries can veto legislation and/or decisions.
Some countries don't want mass immigration from African countries, some countries don't want chat control, some don't prefer a more socialist state, some prefer a more free state and self-responsibility for their citizens. The citizens should decide, and the government voted in should have the powers to fulfill those wishes.
@jirirbr @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna If you fell for the lies your government pumps out when campaigning in national elections and promising to do things it cannot or should not do as part of a legal order your country freely signed up to in exchange for the benefits of the Single Market enabled by that legal order, that's on you. The Hungarian government in particular is in full breach of 🇪🇺 Treaties under which member states commit to operate in "sincere cooperation"
@martinlentink @jirirbr @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Apparently this doesn't apply to me (I voted for Sánchez, who promised to support Ukraine) or you (likely voted for a similar government):
"When we vote for a governments in our countries, they should be empowered to do the things they promised to do. Not be overruled by people from other countries voting for different governments."
So WE can be overruled by some racist chud from Tatabánya even tho 🇭🇺 wouldn't participate or spend on the loan?
@martinlentink @Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Because that’s national sovereignty and independence on a supranational club/empire. For example Czech people don’t feel like the Germans and French should decide some of the things for them.
All I’m saying is be careful what you wish for. The majority might be in the wrong next time and one may wish their country could have vetoes some decision.
As for the current issue, I’m surprised Slovaks and Hungarians didn’t go for the Czech solution of allowing the loan but not participating in it. I mean, not surprised, but it was definitely one of the possible solutions.
@jirirbr @martinlentink @Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo
"National sovereignty" - but what *nation*, if even in "no refugee, at all" Czechia, there is approx 1M people from abroad?
Are e.g. Moravians a nation? Why it is not heard at all? Or, say, Gipsies?
And speaking of *sovereignty*: Each EU state freely and willingly signed access treats to EU, to demonstrate their sovereign attitude to belong to West countries, a group of states with similar geopolitical and economical attitude. EU steps do follow this approach. If some country disagrees, they can HUxit. Oh, wait, they dont want, they would loose money for their corrupt politics, right?
Sorry, but EU is not a friends with benefits club.
@piratzbrna @martinlentink @Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo Most of the Czechs were happy to take in Ukrainian refugees, very often mothers with children, unlike the economic migrants who flooded Germany and France, which are mostly young males with iPhones, or islamic ones who make the cities unsafe for long-time residents.
“A nation is a large group of people who share a common culture, language, history, ethnicity, or psychological bond, often inhabiting a specific territory. Unlike a "state" (which is a sovereign political entity), a nation defines a community of shared identity, meaning a nation can exist without its own sovereign state.”
“If you disagree, just leave” is toxic and arrogant. We’ve heard that during the states’ approval process of the European Constitution, later the Lisbon Treaty, so we should be quite sensitive to that.
@jirirbr @piratzbrna @martinlentink @StefanAlvemo No, he's right. You don't like it, you leave. You do not get the goodies without the obligations. All articles of our Treaties are obligatory, including the 2nd.
Again, if you fall for what the likes of Fico and Babis promise during campaigns, that's a skill issue on your part. You do not have full sovereignity in the EU, that's not how it works. If that's your goal, then Art. 50 and have a nice life.
@jirirbr @martinlentink @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna The EU is neither a "club" nor an empire. You freely joined a legal order. We are a confederation bound by common law. Under that legal order, you pool and share sovereignity in exchange for the benefits being part of the world's largest Single Market brings. You want autarchy? Fine, but you do it outside of the EU Single Market. Good luck.
PS: It's not the CZ solution, they ALL agreed to that, but the vatniks changed their minds now.
It is more important to know whether elections in Hungary are free and fair. I suspect they are not.
If they are free & fair, the decisions coming from Hungary are then the will of the Hungarian people. 🤷
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