Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.
​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/
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@StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Be careful what you wish for. There might come a time when the majority isn’t right or behaves against a particular national interest.
Even in this case, a country is entitled to disagree. If anyone going against a majority automatically equals they are a trojan horse, it’s becoming a slippery slope. Democracy can’t become a tyranny of the majority.
@Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna When we vote for a governments in our countries, they should be empowered to do the things they promised to do. Not be overruled by people from other countries voting for different governments. That's why there are areas in which countries can veto legislation and/or decisions.
Some countries don't want mass immigration from African countries, some countries don't want chat control, some don't prefer a more socialist state, some prefer a more free state and self-responsibility for their citizens. The citizens should decide, and the government voted in should have the powers to fulfill those wishes.
@martinlentink @Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Because that’s national sovereignty and independence on a supranational club/empire. For example Czech people don’t feel like the Germans and French should decide some of the things for them.
All I’m saying is be careful what you wish for. The majority might be in the wrong next time and one may wish their country could have vetoes some decision.
As for the current issue, I’m surprised Slovaks and Hungarians didn’t go for the Czech solution of allowing the loan but not participating in it. I mean, not surprised, but it was definitely one of the possible solutions.
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"National sovereignty" - but what *nation*, if even in "no refugee, at all" Czechia, there is approx 1M people from abroad?
Are e.g. Moravians a nation? Why it is not heard at all? Or, say, Gipsies?
And speaking of *sovereignty*: Each EU state freely and willingly signed access treats to EU, to demonstrate their sovereign attitude to belong to West countries, a group of states with similar geopolitical and economical attitude. EU steps do follow this approach. If some country disagrees, they can HUxit. Oh, wait, they dont want, they would loose money for their corrupt politics, right?
Sorry, but EU is not a friends with benefits club.
@piratzbrna @martinlentink @Veza85UE @StefanAlvemo Most of the Czechs were happy to take in Ukrainian refugees, very often mothers with children, unlike the economic migrants who flooded Germany and France, which are mostly young males with iPhones, or islamic ones who make the cities unsafe for long-time residents.
“A nation is a large group of people who share a common culture, language, history, ethnicity, or psychological bond, often inhabiting a specific territory. Unlike a "state" (which is a sovereign political entity), a nation defines a community of shared identity, meaning a nation can exist without its own sovereign state.”
“If you disagree, just leave” is toxic and arrogant. We’ve heard that during the states’ approval process of the European Constitution, later the Lisbon Treaty, so we should be quite sensitive to that.
@jirirbr @piratzbrna @martinlentink @StefanAlvemo No, he's right. You don't like it, you leave. You do not get the goodies without the obligations. All articles of our Treaties are obligatory, including the 2nd.
Again, if you fall for what the likes of Fico and Babis promise during campaigns, that's a skill issue on your part. You do not have full sovereignity in the EU, that's not how it works. If that's your goal, then Art. 50 and have a nice life.
@jirirbr @martinlentink @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna The EU is neither a "club" nor an empire. You freely joined a legal order. We are a confederation bound by common law. Under that legal order, you pool and share sovereignity in exchange for the benefits being part of the world's largest Single Market brings. You want autarchy? Fine, but you do it outside of the EU Single Market. Good luck.
PS: It's not the CZ solution, they ALL agreed to that, but the vatniks changed their minds now.
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