Putting data centers in space doesn't really make sense unless you think it puts them beyond the reach of the law.
@3psboyd I believe someday we will find out exactly how easy it is to intentionally destroy a satellite, and find out several governments have possessed the ability to do this for possibly decades, and the first time someone demonstrates the ability we will all pretend to be very surprised.
@mcc Astronaut sidling up to the satellite casually and doing a double-tap with a silenced revolver
@mcc There's no sound in space but he thinks the silencer is important for the aesthetics of the deed.
@3psboyd *thinks* silencers don't actually silence the sound of the bullet, what they do is the silence the sound of escaping gases by diverting them in a way that slows them down and gives them additional exit points. for this reason, when firing a gun in space, a silencer is actually probably desirable, not because it silences sound but because it could potentially damp recoil by preventing the escaping gases from imparting momentum on you (by releasing gas 360 degrees it cancels itself out)
@mcc @3psboyd sorry my basic physics is a tad rusty but surely if the bullet fires forwards there will still be some momentum in the direction directly opposite the direction of the bullet; only the gases' momenti will cancel each other out?
@chrisjrn @3psboyd yes but. the amount of momentum will be accordingly reduced. edited above post to replace "prevent" with "damp"
@chrisjrn @3psboyd silencers of course also let a lot of sound through, i'm told
@mcc @chrisjrn @3psboyd from what I've heard they take the sound from "literally destroy your eardrums" to "very loud indeed"

@mcc hm that depends on how homogeneous the dispersion is, I guess.

I don't think it would affect recoil much, since most of that I expect would come from the bullet itself rather than the exhaust gasses.

On the other hand, the gas disperions being not perfectly homogeneous owuld also induce vibrations in the silencer, I would expect.

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@mcc @3psboyd what you're describing sounds closer to the intent of a muzzle brake (redirect the gas to provide a desired impulse)
@3psboyd @mcc what you're looking for here is either a "muzzle break" which reduces felt recoil by redirecting some gasses back towards the shooter, a "recoilless rifle" which fires rounds that simultaneously launch a bullet and vent gasses out the back of the gun to completely cancel out recoil, or even a "gyro-jet" which is an obscure gun that launches a tiny rocket instead of a regular bullet.
@3psboyd @mcc there are combined silencers/muzzle brakes, though in practice they trend to work at cross purposes.
There are also all manner of odd mechanical contrivances to absorb, delay, or redirect felt recoil.
For example there are a number of larger guns that have a built in reciprocating elements that spread out the impulse of firing over up to a half second or so.
@kevingranade
You could make a gun that shoots in opposite directions at once to cancel the recoil. Twice as effective!
@3psboyd @mcc
@3psboyd @mcc @rhialto surprisingly enough that has been done!
Though modern systems just use gas and the rear element is essentially a rocket nozzle, it's more weight efficient.
@mcc @3psboyd i’m sure that information will come in handy at some point

@3psboyd @mcc I chuckled when I read this because I thought of Clint Eastwood's scowl as he watches the satellite drift away in pieces.

I've heard one on the range before and it sounded like a rapid "fmpt fmpt fmpt."

@mcc @3psboyd I know you were going for the assasin image, but the idea of a silencer for space is hilarious.

But yeah I'm pretty sure destroying satellites is actually really easy, and the reason we don't do it is because it is too easy and no one wants to kick that off.

@mcc @3psboyd if you'd like to do the background reading in advance: https://spp.fas.org/military/program/asat/index.html
Anti-Satellite Weapons

@mcc @3psboyd didn't India demo that a few years ago?
Mission Shakti - Wikipedia

@mcc @3psboyd the keyword for military sources on this is "proximity operations" and usually they're just eavesdropping or playing other such games of aggression

scott manley is scott manley, but he also made a video about the orbital mechanics of it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcJMT1rW8Lg

How Real Satellites Dogfight - Proximity Operations In Space Explained

YouTube

@mcc @3psboyd Yep.

September, 1985

@mcc @3psboyd I think about this all the time. Also how, overall GOOD it will be when Kessler ends the era of GPS. By "good" here I mean how it will empower people and disempower e.g. militaries.

@mcc @3psboyd

honestly it wouldn't be that difficult for even a modestly funded private group to manage that, if they had a couple of experts in a specific overlap of fields.

@mcc @3psboyd oh governments have openly had that technology for a while. From like the 60s onwards. Would be funny to see it revived just to destroy non compliant data centres.

@diffractie @mcc @3psboyd ASM-135 ASAT go brrrrr

(I spent too much time on /r/NonCredibleDefense)

2007 Chinese anti-satellite missile test - Wikipedia

@emily_s @mcc @3psboyd loved seeing the quote from abe which makes such an impressive effort at neutrality that it feels pointed
@emily_s @mcc @3psboyd guns don't kill people contraptions kill people
@emily_s @mcc @3psboyd you need to be contraption maxxing. you need to be developing functionality that will never be replicated and is indistinguishable from a fever dream. you need to develop a theory of mind that's often correct despite its basis on invalid premises and remains in a constant unstable equilibrium like a dormant volcano. you need to be dr. eggman. dr. eggman is my future. i can must and will become dr. eggman
@emily_s @mcc @3psboyd @hipsterelectron these are the words of a person on their way to inventing the Mean Bean Machine
@3psboyd if what they really want is a "Rod From God"/deorbit-as-colony-drop option then it makes a lot more sense. who needs nukes?
Interpol adding RIM-161 SM3s to the police force
@3psboyd I think they think they want to be Tessier-Ashpool S.A.
@3psboyd Not necessarily the law but definitely the lower class whose toil goes in and comes out marvelously transformed into money for their betters.
@3psboyd

beyond the law and beyond the mob.

It's just one more piece of the "total world control" puzzle for Elno.

@3psboyd @nyrath

Fortunately; the space lawyers have already thought about this.

(For those unaware: Since spacecraft are all operated from the ground; if anything illegal is being done using a spacecraft, the government where the spacecraft was launched from has jurisdiction.

So if SpaceX should be doing cybercrime via Starlinks, then the FBI can get a warrant just like for anyone else in the country.)