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Ron Gilbert (GrumpyGamer)"Mark Zuckerberg is all-in on AI as the new social media " -- He was also all in on VR being the future... how did that work out? He is the typical idiot who got lucky and now thinks it was his genius.
Claudius@grumpygamer VR I have better hopes for than that marketing buzzword "Metaverse". I honestly hope that VR can still thrive now that meta doesn't Zuck the air out of the room any longer.
@claudius VR is dead. Normal people don't want to put blinders on and be cut off from the world. It freaks them out. It's also makes a good number of people sick. It also make them look like fools with that gear on their heads and normal people don't like looking like a fool. AR has a future when it's part of my contact lens.
@grumpygamer I'm not claiming it's going to be a mass-market thing like a TV in the 90s or a Smartphone in the 2010s. But in its niche, I think, it is a relatively established category of device.
Dan@claudius @grumpygamer it's a solution in search of a problem, like most of the other dumb shit corps keep trying
yeah, there are definitely people using it. the numbers aren't inspiring, especially for recurring users. it's been tried at least a half dozen times with pretty much zero lasting success.
from sensorama to headsight to videoplace to virtuality to virtual boy to the current devices. it's just not a useful format. that's why it keeps failing. existing interfaces work better.
Dani Barca β΅οΈ@grumpygamer @claudius describing VR on those terms is like saying "touchscreens suck, they're dead" after trying out a 90s PDA. There's tons of potential on VR, it's just not ready.
kontrollierterWahnwitz@danibarca @grumpygamer @claudius
Well, it's not like it is the first attempt to establish VR.
Richard W. Woodley ELBOWS UP π¨π¦πΉπ΄ββοΈπ· πΊοΈ@danibarca @grumpygamer @claudius
For games, teaching people how to drive and a few other things it might have real potential BUT it is not how people are going to want to interface with the world or even their devices on a regular basis,.
@the5thColumnist @grumpygamer @claudius touchscreens is how people want to interface with their devices nowadays (like it or not).
@danibarca @grumpygamer @claudius
touchscreens do suck, so do those things on laptops that replace mice, they suck too
touchscreens do suck, so do those things on laptops that replace mice, they suck too
Nu Modular@the5thColumnist There's enough perve in AI. So don't touch my pad.
@danibarca @grumpygamer @claudius except for the fact that touchscreens were immediately useful the second they were introduced. palm pilots were hugely popular, lots of places adopted touchscreens for POS, even in CRT, these things actually had applications and met needs.
VR has been around for 70+ years and has not had any lasting use case. and it's been tried dozens of times. when will it be ready? billions have been thrown at the technology.
VR is a self-licking ice cream cone.
@dank @grumpygamer @claudius and millions of people use VR as of today. VR is a massively more complex tech than touchscreens. Only in the last decade we started having the compute power and capabilities to make them minimally usable. We havenβt yet seen any version of VR that provides a good user experience. No matter how long VR has been around, it is today what touchscreens were in the 90s: disappointing, not quite there, but with potential.
@danibarca @grumpygamer @claudius again, touchscreens were immediately useful the moment they were introduced. they had actual use cases. that has yet to arise for VR.
i mention timescale and prior attempts in the hope that it's instructive. this technology does not solve any actual problem.
"millions" is - at best - extreme. look at steam charts. even the alltime peaks are <500k people. the current peaks are <85k people in even the most popular applications
@dank @grumpygamer @claudius oh, Iβm so sorry I had to make you repeat yourself. Touchscreens are not useful per se, everything that can be done with one, can be done with a mouse too. VR is at least as useful as a touchscreen but thereβs a big entry barrier as it requires the commitment of wearing a big device that blocks your view. Screens are a lot more accessible as of today but that doesnβt make them more useful.
@dank @grumpygamer @claudius as I said they are massively different technologies so comparing them has its limits. I wasnβt trying to draw an absolute parallel between them, my point is that every tech sucks when itβs in development. Also I didnβt mean millions at any given time, but Steam is not representative of VR usage.
@dank @grumpygamer @claudius I think it is short sighted to dismiss a tech that hasnβt fulfilled its potential, just because a few mega corporations have been bullshitting a bit too much with it.
Silverweed@dank @danibarca @grumpygamer @claudius
> VR has not had any lasting use case
That's just plain false, unless you only consider a "use case" what makes you big money.
I am glad that Meta invested so much in VR and even more glad that the "Metaverse" BS failed, because now VR is still left as a niche (less people = slower enshittification) but with much better tech than 10 years ago.
At the same time VR tech is still advancing and being pushed by smaller companies, which is also a good thing.
MisterMaker@grumpygamer @claudius It secret word is porn.
CM Thiede@grumpygamer @claudius judging by the amount of "robot pilot" jobs out there, I'm sure the market is vast for deep pockets and defense. Though, I imagine it's only a temporary vocation to train the models.
kNeo gHau@grumpygamer @claudius The VR market is larger and healthier now than at any previous point in history. There's no talk of stock market bubbles, over hyped investors, or any of the usual buzzwords. New headsets are still coming out with new advancements and generational improvements. How is VR dead exactly?
Octavi Navarro@grumpygamer @claudius I lost my interest in VR after watching The Lawnmower Man.
ClutchAbuse@grumpygamer but there is a subset of people who don't fit into any of those groups. It will never be main stream in its current form, but there is definitely a niche audience out there. I'm friends with a few of them.
The Idea that people would live their entire day in a headset was incredibly stupid. The mountain of money burned on it was disgusting.
Dominik@claudius @grumpygamer I'm afraid it won't thrive much. The only ones pumping money into it were Meta because of their Metaverse dream.
Let's what Valve has in store, but I'm not holding my breath.
Future SprogIf Mark Zuckerberg wants to spend $75,000,000,000 on βAIβ then Iβm all for it. Contact me for my bank account details and Iβll spend it all on βAIβ.
Alex Hyett@grumpygamer I am sure that Zuck read/watched βReady Player Oneβ but only got to the point where they were filling everything with ads and stopped there and thought βI am going to do thatβ!
MegatronicThronBanks@grumpygamer The fuckwit in Alien: Earth has got to be a direct dig at zurk.
Tom Walker@grumpygamer So much in the tech world is lottery winners who think they are geniuses
Abhiram@grumpygamer What does "AI as the new social media" even mean?? Where is the social?
When we grew up we just had imaginary friends and they didn't waste massive amounts of water and energy.
@the5thColumnist @grumpygamer someone just sent me this: https://www.moltbook.com/
The agents are social media-ing now! β
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Stephen Ward@grumpygamer I put off watching 'The Social Network' for 10+ years 'cos I was worried it might humanize him too much. I needn't have worried as no one portrayed in that film comes off well at all.
Simon ZerafaThe accidental Dunning-Kruger "expert".
Correct and successful once and therefore believes every next big idea must be the next big thing, even when they fail.
Xanathon@grumpygamer Yeah, sure. He also renamed his company to "Meta" because he was completely certain that the Metaverse ist THE big thing. His hit to miss ratio on those things is cerainly not in his favor. The moron.
QuasiMagia π γγ«γ³@grumpygamer if you have infinite money, you can go all-in on everything
Max@grumpygamer Mark tries out. And this is what Genius is: to try, to try again, to try again β¦
Bernd Kilga@grumpygamer company rename to Metai in 3, 2, β¦
Keldrim 
@grumpygamer VR is a cool medium though and a growing market, just not the hype everyone said and out of all people he misunderstood it most lol. Everything people really wanted he ignored but hey floating hands and torso are still good in his book lol.
But him crying in LLM will be funny as hell.
j_bertolotti@grumpygamer Whether AI/VR succeed or not is largely irrelevant to them. They just need to convince the investors to keep the stocks value high.
sNOWFLAKE βοΈ iNDUSTRIES@grumpygamer but most of all: he started as a shmuck and continued to be a shmuck
contrasocialI seem to recall this guy saying anyone over the age of 30 shouldn't try to start new companies.
Honor@grumpygamer
Easiest way to prove you're smarter than him = quit Facebook & WhatsApp. I quit them in 2012.been using Briar messenger & SimpleX Chat for years.
Easiest way to prove you're smarter than him = quit Facebook & WhatsApp. I quit them in 2012.been using Briar messenger & SimpleX Chat for years.
Sehar Irfan@grumpygamer what we can say
FediThing 
...like so many hyperwealhy people π
llogiq@grumpygamer that's a pretty unkind thing to say...
...against typical idiots.
He needs something beyond "<< made my billions from an ogling website>>
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)Satya Nadella 'bet the company' on Mixed Reality in 2016. Now he's 'betting the company' on AI, which is surprising because he lost it in the last bet so it isn't his anymore.
embixHe also bet "Mobile First, Cloud First" in 2014 - and the cloud part really took off
The cloud bit is doing pretty well. M365 is a big earner and Azure made it to the number two spot. Mobile much less so, Windows Phone died and the mobile versions of the Office apps are just about usable.
@david_chisnall @grumpygamer The lesson probably should be spreading the risk instead of setting it all on one (likely the the wrong) card.
Amy Hood has talked about how great it is that MS's revenue is diversified. But the rest of the SLT seems to think this means 'stop investing in anything that produces revenue today, and try to add more things'. And that works really well in the short term.
sauc3Thank you, I've been making this point as well.
Zuccs has never had a good idea, unless you consider ripping off those two goofball crypto twins to repackage hot or not for college campuses a good idea.
Outside that, all he has done for the last decade or so is set billions of dollars on fire. He bought and then proceeded to start destroying Instagram to avoid competition. Which, I guess was kind of smart, but also a really crummy thing to do.
Why people still listen to him is beyond me. He's also shilling those dork-ass privacy crushing glasses, and people still treat his thoughts seriously. I don't get it.
It must be, "he's a billionaire, so he must be smart." I suspect the same people probably think Elongated Muskrat is a genius, despite all available proof to the contrary.
Anyway, just wanted to tell you that I agree, and I think you are right on the money here.
Allen Brunson@grumpygamer i will give zuck credit for this much: most one-hit-wonder tech companies eventually get their lunch eaten by upstarts, due to institutional inertia and hubris. zuck had the foresight to see which upstarts were likely to eat his lunch and buy them before they became much of a threat. so thatβs two big zuck wins: making the world worse with facebook, and making the world worse by neutering competition. truly, a shining triumph we can all admire.
Drey@grumpygamer - True; Shit he stole Facebook from two students in college using their tools and trademarking Face book as his. He is no Genius but a thief.
Richard β¬π©β¬@grumpygamer AI as social media is simply the dumbest idea i have ever seen.
Saying that as someone that works using AI
Levka"Idiot" and "moron" are #abliest slurs with roots in eugenics.
They're Oldspeak. Today in Wokespeak we say "differently special".
Myphatself@grumpygamer Zuck is for sure one of the dumbest tech bros.