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Jurjen Heeck 🍋Jan 14

@ErikJonker Is there a link to the original post? I have only seen screenshots so far.

Erik Jonker Jan 14

@jurjen_heeck good point, here it is, i also updated the original post with the source, https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2011213308968538361

Homeland Security (@DHSgov) on X

REMINDER. “To all ICE officers: You have federal immunity in the conduct of your duties. Anybody who lays a hand on you or tries to stop you or tries to obstruct you is committing a felony. You have immunity to perform your duties, and no one—no city official, no state official,

X (formerly Twitter)

Juggling With Eggs Jan 14

Genuinely curious as whether the scope and ability to act with immunity from prosecution was stated so brazenly to the public about the SS?

Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK Jan 14

@JugglingWithEggs @ErikJonker @geopolitics

I don't think the SS even needed to make such statements, they had already shown an overwhelming level of force and Hitler already had full control of the media/propaganda.

USA is not /quite/ at that state yet, only a third of the population support the fascists (whereas in Nazi Germany it was likely as much as 66,67% or more, even after bombs started landing on peoples heads), and it would be way harder for Trump to lock down *all* forms of communication (for instance USA folk can still post on Fedi)

@vfrmedia @JugglingWithEggs @ErikJonker @geopolitics

ℂ𝕖𝕝𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕖@world: /#

Jan 14

You don't need to ban fedi. It's good enough to have most people convinced that they don't need to be on fedi to control them entirely.

Jim Jan 14

@vfrmedia @JugglingWithEggs @ErikJonker @geopolitics
Maybe 33% of the voters support this regime by their vote, but the non voters are complicit as well jacking the numbers up closer to a much higher sub surface percentage

@ErikJonker @geopolitics they think they're above the law. They'll eventually pay a steep price for this

@FaithinBones @ErikJonker @geopolitics

Sibrosan Jan 14

I hope so. And the sooner the better

Darberoom Jan 14

@FaithinBones @ErikJonker @geopolitics
"Just following orders," also known as the superior orders defense or Nuremberg defense, is a legal argument used by individuals claiming they should not be held responsible for actions taken under the orders of a superior. This defense was notably addressed during the Nuremberg trials, where it was determined that following unlawful orders does not exempt individuals from accountability for war crimes. 😈 🖖

@Darberoom1954 @ErikJonker @geopolitics I think the movie 'Judgement at Nuremberg' should be required viewing by all West Point Cadets.

@Darberoom1954 @FaithinBones @ErikJonker @geopolitics The people who need to hear that though don't accept the results of the Nuremberg trials. They don't have to either if nobody makes them.

@crazyeddie @Darberoom1954 @ErikJonker @geopolitics I'm sure the SS felt they were immune too. They couldn't see the future because they forgot the past

@FaithinBones @Darberoom1954 @ErikJonker @geopolitics They actually had a legal history that was exactly the opposite, that let monarchs do whatever the fuck they wanted and any sort of brutality in war is just to be expected. Civilians and their belongings even being pay for the military sometimes. One of the big parts of Nuremberg was arguing that there was even any legal authority to have a trial.

No, the SS didn't have any reason at all to think they'd be punished for anything.

@crazyeddie @Darberoom1954 @ErikJonker @geopolitics the loss of their monarchy in 1918 should have told them that they weren't immune.

@FaithinBones @Darberoom1954 @ErikJonker @geopolitics I'm just going to leave you to this.

It's pretty darn important to recognize that we learned something new from WWII and that the Nuremberg trials established an important truth. I'm not the one to try to convince you of this though. So you go ahead and continue thinking nothing changed and that the current Nazis have nothing new to look upon and learn from.

@crazyeddie @Darberoom1954 @ErikJonker @geopolitics I was saying the exact opposite of what you just said. Change is inevitable and the present far right will pay a price in the future. They can't escape the inevitability

@FaithinBones @Darberoom1954 @ErikJonker @geopolitics If you say so. I interpreted what you said as saying that SS had the same stuff to look back upon. I'm actually really confused about everything you said if that's not the case.

Whatever. Have a good day.

@crazyeddie @FaithinBones @ErikJonker @geopolitics

Darberoom Jan 15

The Nazi's weren't planning on losing they were planning on ruling the world for 1000 years so no consequences. 😈

Manda Jan 14

"You are entitled and superior and absolutely anyone who disagrees can get beat on."

Not only is it a continuation of everything wrong with our culture, it is a declaration that they intend to beat everyone into submission.

@lucyruthe @ErikJonker @geopolitics

MissConstrue Jan 14

Pam Bondi stood at a podium with the Nazi slogan One of ours, All of yours and declared the gestapo immune. They are not, and now that we know they’ve thrown away the rule of law, it’s become a lot more likely that ice will get shot.

When someone defends themselves from these goons, they’ll use it as an excuse to start the wholesale murder of people in blue states, and now that Texas and all the other Red states have given the DOJ lists of every Dem voter in their state, including address, birthday, social security numbers and drivers licenses, they’ll start going door to door in red states too.

This is a five alarm fire. We are being invaded by a billionaire paid army wearing the badging of a failed nation. Either ICE ends, or the country does. There is no middle ground anymore.

poleguy looking for lost tools Jan 14

@ErikJonker @geopolitics Interesting that they call out "officials" crossing the line into obstruction. They are more worried about police turning on them than protestors?

Also, they are wrong. _Many_ people are capable of preventing them from fulfilling their duties. And are only stopped by a legal threat of a felony trial.

The implication here though is that the immunity allows a federal officer to shoot to kill if obstructed. And lots of these new recruits are too dumb to know that's a lie.

Urzl Jan 14

@poleguy @ErikJonker @geopolitics I read that to mean "Congress". They don't intend to submit to any oversight visits, ever.

poleguy looking for lost tools Jan 14

@gooba42 @ErikJonker @geopolitics I see. You may be right. I think DHSgov, congress, and the president live in a bubble. The real resistance isn't coming from congress it's coming from individual citizens with skin in the game and getting shot in the head as a result.

I read it as a threat to Democratic governors (e.g. in Minnesota) to not turn the police against ICE.

But you are probably right.

More regular people will die soon I fear. Not likely congress people in their bubble.

@poleguy @ErikJonker @geopolitics If you get sent to prison you become a really expensive liability. You can cause more expense with appeals. It's maybe one of the things you could actually accomplish that would have the most impact. The more time and resources they expend fucking around with you, the less they do someone else.

So if they threaten you with felony charges, maybe consider it an opportunity and take advantage of it. You wouldn't even have to have a job anymore.

poleguy looking for lost tools Jan 14

@crazyeddie @ErikJonker @geopolitics I just sent a letter to my US Senator asking him to do exactly this. Go get yourself arrested. He's in the top 0.0003% of this country in terms of representative power. He's sitting in his gilded throne and doing nothing more than giving speeches and attending rallys. Why did we elect him if he won't go get himself put in jail for obstruction. It would be like a parking ticket for him.

Cowards.

I bought my frog costume: I'm ready!

Su_G Jan 14

@ErikJonker
Cosplaying god; love that @ Stephen M at the bottom - is she flirting with him?🤔
@geopolitics

Sibrosan Jan 14

@ErikJonker @geopolitics it's bullshit too

noplasticshower Jan 14

@ErikJonker @geopolitics fuck you stephen

Danny Boling ☮️Jan 14

@noplasticshower

🎯

Toni Aittoniemi Jan 14

@ErikJonker @geopolitics They don’t have legal immunity, but they are looking for a fight.

Anything to declare martial law and infinitely delay the midterm elections ’until order has been restored’.🤔

an interesting bean

Jan 14

@ErikJonker this immunity is far from new. This statement seems to be describing supreme court precedent set by in re Neagle (1890).

Joan's Addiction 😷Jan 14

@timmy It does no such thing.

@clickhere @ErikJonker like anything law related, it’s complicated but federal agents generally have immunity from state prosecution for actions taken as part of conducting their duties. That stems from in re Neagle. it is extremely hard in the US to hold any federal agent accountable unless the federal government does it

MissConstrue Jan 14

@timmy @clickhere @ErikJonker And every experienced prosecutor with the DOJ civil rights division, the ones responsible for investigating LEO, is gone. Either fired, or resigned this week when the DOJ told them to not investigate Ross, but instead investigate the widow of the woman he murdered. You can thank Trump appointed Dhillon for that.

Nobody is coming to save us. We have to sort this out ourselves.

Joan's Addiction 😷Jan 14

@MissConstrue Yes - unfortunately, not enough people have yet realised that, under this regime, laws will not protect you.

@ErikJonker @geopolitics They are begging someone to kill one of the ICE agents. Begging.

@kimlockhartga @ErikJonker

George B Jan 14

And it will happen, they can only push people so far.

I can only hope that when it does, it's an extremely embarrassing death for the ICE agent. Some home alone or looney tunes bullshit that gets them laughed at more each time they try to use it for propaganda.

Steggy Jan 14

@kimlockhartga @ErikJonker that was my exact thought. They are going to keep pushing this until an agent is killed. They *want* an agent to be killed. Then all hell will break loose and they can suspend (cancel?) the election.

2xfo Jan 14

@steggy @kimlockhartga @ErikJonker
I don't know if it helps but I'm willing to call bullshit before anyone dies

BlurredPixels Jan 14

A righteous god would have already cast a lightning on him
Time to think about alternatives

Niels Nielsen, geographer Jan 14

@ErikJonker @[email protected] Has that been confirmed by the Supreme Court?

Joan's Addiction 😷Jan 14

@ErikJonker

After all, there's only a few months left to come up with a pretext to suspend their mid-term elections.

@[email protected]

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Reay Jan 14

@ErikJonker @kimlockhartga @geopolitics Mr. Miller: Facing justice still doesn’t mean getting shot three times in the head.

And facing justice still has to work both ways.

George B Jan 14

@ErikJonker

I noticed that you tagged an a.gup.pe group in your post.

Have you seen the last point in: https://fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-on-the-fediverse/

That site was taken over and replaced with some scammy SEO blog and the groups don't work any more.

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Zaphod Beeblebrox Jan 14

They love to make up terms that sound so official yet have no legal basis. “Federal Immunity” is nonsense and they know it, yet the brain-dead will equate that to something akin to “Supreme Authority”. What’s next? “Resistance is Futile” or “Submit to your Overlords”

@garthderby @ErikJonker @geopolitics "Didn't you learn your lesson yet?"

We've already heard it a few times.

Bernie Luckily Does It Jan 14

@ErikJonker @geopolitics Indict DHS management on conspiracy charges.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242

jargon Jan 14

@ErikJonker @geopolitics What about Section 242 title 18, I’m sure the authoritarians would simply ignore this, but it seems rather glaring.

18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

LII / Legal Information Institute

Niek van Leeuwen Jan 14

@ErikJonker
License to kill

@geopolitics

Ëtikēmik Jan 14

@ErikJonker @geopolitics Such tendencies are far older than fascism. MAGA politics bears very strong resemblance to the views of Thomas Hobbes, for instance. He advocates a unitary executive; argues that the executive isn’t subject to the law; promotes a “friend-enemy” distinction in both foreign and domestic affairs; contends that government should control religion and education; etc. MAGA’s a return of a deeply rooted repressed, and can’t be eradicated easily.

MacCruiskeen Jan 14

@etikemik @ErikJonker @geopolitics Sure, modern fascism wasn't invented ex nihilio in 1919, there were precedents for many of the ideas and Mussolini had fantasies of a revived Roman Empire. But so what? The nazis didn't invent the idea of 'race purity', even though they made it the central engine of their movement and dialed it up to 11. But what we are dealing with now is clearly a movement that follows directly from that. We can call it fascism.

Ëtikēmik Jan 14

@maccruiskeen @ErikJonker @geopolitics I didn’t say you couldn’t call it fascism. My point was just that this overall tendency can’t be overcome as, ahem, “easily” as 20th-century fascism was—indeed, this tradition of thought is one reason why fascism’s never been overcome completely. But we’re not dealing with people who think of themselves as simply aping Hitler or Mussolini. To think so is to vastly underestimate the task at hand.

MacCruiskeen Jan 14

@etikemik @ErikJonker @geopolitics Yes, there's always a certain element of society that desires wealth and power at the expense of others, and it is likely that that will always be true. It is never 'defeated' in any absolute sense. Does that mean we shouldn't try to drive these assholes from power? Of course not.