Jack Taylor
Randahl FinkOne day this social media exchange will be presented as evidence in a court room, and I cannot wait.
Stoneface Vimes@randahl unfortunately for vance it's also what the international courts call it.
Andreas K@capnthommo @randahl Well, yes and no, or how we say Jein.
International courts call it so.
Other countries' courts (war crimes tend to fall into extraterritorial jurisdiction, especially if the primary home country refuses to prosecute) call it so.
And murder has not statute of limitation in the USA.
And Vance is relatively young.
But he is right, for the past century the US has got away with tons of war crimes, without Americans getting even a slap.
Actually Americans got away with war crimes even in WWII.
The prosecution was generally reserved for the losing side.
(Yes the overwhelming amount of war crimes were committed by the Axis, but they were not the only ones. And if you want to talk about the Holocaust? Who was the main seller of Jewish gold teeth? To finanze the Nazi machine? During WWII? RIght an American banker working for the Nazis. Who went on to a normal banking career in the USA.)
WesDym@yacc143 A LOT of Americans sided with the Axis, and actively helped them. That included some companies and titans of industry, at least until we joined the Allies. Here at home, our own federal police had their hands full with active Axis supporters throughout the entire war, right up to the end.
@yacc143 Not entirely true. A great many of us have been fiercely outraged by our country's many, many crimes. We're just not politically powerful enough for that outrage to matter as much as it should. The present regime is especially shameless and despicable. But again, so far, there just aren't enough who are outraged enough about it all (yet) to change that. We can hope, though. The world is watching, and hopefully documenting it all. One day, guys like Vance might finally be made to answer.
@wesdym That's why I mentioned that murder has no statute of limitation in US law.
And that legislation by court reinterpretation has the ugly drawback that SCOTUS can change interpretations (as the progressives are currently learning, aren't they), and if they are especially ugly, there is nothing that keeps them from changing the interpretation in such a way that it's effectively retroactive.
Joe Stewart
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MarjorieR@Okuna @capnthommo @randahl except, most recently, for sanctioning the ICC's judges and for trying to hold the USA and Israel to account for Israel's Genocide in Palestine.
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Randall Lee@randahl in maga world fraud isn't a crime and murder to cover up sex crimes isn't a crime.
Crystal_Fish_Caves
Frances LarinaIf/when Dems are in power again, we MUST push them to do this. No more Pelosi-Obama, "War crimes are off the table, we must look forward not back". We as a nation cannot afford it.
Geoff Berner@Frances_Larina @randahl yeah the thing is, the Bin Laden execution was also a war crime. Not "technically". It was an extra judicial execution of an unarmed man. So.
Leeloo@Geoffberner @Frances_Larina @randahl
True. And not just a war crime. It ensured he will always be "alleged terrorist Osama bin Laden".
Because he'd have to be alive to be convicted in s court of law.
Space Catitude 🚀We've been seeing for several months now the direct result of not holding leadership accountable for criminal behavior in office.
EQDid a quick search on the net and came up with this. So: Collect evidence, and then trick them to visit Sweden after they leave office 🙂
"Murder, sexual and gender-based violence, torture, and kidnapping can qualify as such a crime "
https://syriaaccountability.org/content/files/2022/04/Swedish-Jurisdiction-Guide-EN--1-.pdf
EugenioLiberoBocca@randahl truly gives me the chills that the VP is saying that.
@EugenioLiberoBocca @randahl this entire time line is creepy
GehtsoMake life in your countries worth living and promote a society based on solidarity, where people care for one another.
Then people won't have to constantly numb or stimulate themselves with all kinds of drugs in order to endure and get through life.
The demand for drugs arises domestically and is not promoted by states. They merely satisfy the demand.
It's no different in Europe, except that consumption is not yet so enormous.
The Tepid Emperor@randahl Is it too much to ask that statesmen act and sound like statesmen?
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MasterMischief@randahl Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Is the Vice President stating it is ok to kill people who kill our fellow citizens? There are several billionaires doing exactly that.
François @Jura@randahl he might think he's Dick Cheney and might dodge prosecution. I have bad news for him, he's just a Dick.
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@randahl I hope the trials are televised live.
Jim Sullivan@randahl Paging the International Criminal Court.
@randahl Keitel and Himmler & Co didn't give a shit either.
And they called Jews a poison that poisoned the German people, that needed to be exterminated.
And they were totally surprised when the Allies did not start to negotiate a peace treaty with them.
I think it's sick that the oligarchs and financiers of the Nazis (on both sides) profited from WWII and got away with it, usually without even a slap on their hands.
Toni Aittoniemi@randahl Couchfucker must go!!
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dominic@joshg @randahl looks like text was removed to highlight the offending bit, which... not ideal.
The original post (https://x.com/JDVance/status/1964341094226743787) is plenty bad on its own, of course. It's a pity (well, kind of) that X won't let me browse the replies.
(edit: okay maybe X's layout is just weird for this case)
draNgNonhttps://xcancel.com/JDVance/status/1964341094226743787 has the replies
the "i don't give a shit" tweet appears to be deleted
this screenshot is in the replies tho. it's better than @randahl screenshot becuase it has the post date.
Eh?!?@joshg @randahl
The screenshot looks weird, indeed, but the tweet seems legit.
I made a search for news pages that referred to that thread and provided links to it, copied the link and looked at it via xcancel (I do not enter Nazi bars):
https://xcancel.com/JDVance/status/1964341436096057502
The screenshot looks weird, indeed, but the tweet seems legit.
I made a search for news pages that referred to that thread and provided links to it, copied the link and looked at it via xcancel (I do not enter Nazi bars):
https://xcancel.com/JDVance/status/1964341436096057502
Walrus 🏴Is this J D Vance a suitable person to be in a government, or is he just a thuggish gangster with Nazi overtones?
Ooh, I know this one....
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Chuck Berray@randahl The sooner the better.
ArchaeoIain@randahl I fear the arrogance arises from the logistic difficulty of executing any warrant for the arrest of him or any of the other perpetrators. It would be good to see them all in court AND convicted
Crispy Gnome Chomsky@randahl Sadly, I judge it questionable which of the two will be the defendant in that future trial.
@rose Why not both? Crimes committed against criminals are still crimes. Even if it's true that the victims of our criminal attacks are criminals themselves (which I don't believe, for complete lack of evidence), our attacks are still criminal. Their crimes don't cancel ours out.
@wesdym My point is that while the poster speculates that Vance's comments will be evidence in his future trial for war crimes, I speculate that the person criticizing him could be charged in the current environment in which stating any opposition to administration policy is viewed as a criminal act. USA justice system is in freefall, and nobody knows where the bottom is.
RustyRingPoint of order: it's actually just an everyday crime. Murder, to be specific.
This is not a military action; it's just killing people. No different than a bunch of American soldiers entering a bar somewhere in some country the US is not at war with and opening fire on the patrons.
They'd be murderers, just like anybody else.
@RustyRing The difference is, they were ordered to, by the apparent lawful govt authority. That makes it a crime of the state, rather than of individuals, even if the individual perpetrators are also criminally liable.
This is a crime being committed by our government, not drunken sailors.
Point taken, but it's still not a war crime. There is no war, and the targets are civilians who haven't been accused of being belligerents in a war. (Let alone determined to be by due process, but I think we both know that's a principle only found in the past now.)
So that at least makes the officials who ordered these hits common murderers, and possibly those who carried them out, under established strictures against following illegal orders.
leftofcentre@randahl ahahah 'courts' bwahahah stupid gringos. like a frog in a pot.
GJ Groothedde 🇪🇺@randahl In fact, it's called murder. Since there isn't even a war.
Ratsnake Games 🔞@randahl US leadership being held accountable for crimes against humanity? Yeah, no, sorry, that's never going to happen.
Brent Guernsey, Artrocity StudioBut he was just following orders...
tinderness@randahl Why are you bringing this destructive shit to mastodon?
@tinderness because I am a political commentator.
Aerofreak | USA WTF?@randahl
The image looks manipulated, doesn't it? The font in the last line is larger and the indentation is different.
To me, this doesn't appear to be a screenshot of an original chat.
But he could have texted it, of course.
@aerofreak I took the screenshot myself. This is the way the post layout looks, when the bottom post is selected. It has been like that for at least ten years on Twitter.
@randahl
Ok, then sorry for my suspicion. It really looked to me like fake. I've never been on xitter so I couldn't judge it from my own experience. Apologies!
Ok, then sorry for my suspicion. It really looked to me like fake. I've never been on xitter so I couldn't judge it from my own experience. Apologies!
Chris