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ERRORSMITH@zl2tod @jon Humans are not a disease. They however have one that currently comes in the form of capitalism.
Calling humans the disease is a lazy move that justify going on with destruction and to discount alternatives that have been the norm in most places at some point before self-flagellating, misanthropic, intellectually lazy fuckwits took over, put in motion by the greed of _very few_ individuals that they were unwise enough to not to put back out on the fields.
Calling humans the disease is a lazy move that justify going on with destruction and to discount alternatives that have been the norm in most places at some point before self-flagellating, misanthropic, intellectually lazy fuckwits took over, put in motion by the greed of _very few_ individuals that they were unwise enough to not to put back out on the fields.
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Dana@Natanox @fr2 @zl2tod @jon To put it another way, calling humanity a cancer is an ethically lazy Easy-Way-Out sorta argument, when you think about it. It relies on the idea that we are somehow separate from the natural world, too.
We've got the capacity to self reflect and change our behavior. There's a world in which it's normal to see ourselves as part of our environment and planet, living in conversation with and as part of its systems. Just as humans are capable of kindness to each other, we are just as capable of acting as responsible stewards, if we hold ourselves accountable to be that.
@Natanox @zl2tod @jon To us it is, but to someone who grew up with it, it will just sound like another crazy leftist calling random stuff "fascism" without any concrete link to a definition ever being dropped.
So
There's reasons to bother with showing some part of the reasoning, even if it's annoying.
I've seen results from it where it kept a community safer.
(One must imagine sisyphus happy)
So
There's reasons to bother with showing some part of the reasoning, even if it's annoying.
I've seen results from it where it kept a community safer.
(One must imagine sisyphus happy)
Eggs now in different baskets.@zl2tod @jon Whereas cities do have upsides, acting as melting pots for culture and catalysts for (political) change, offering refuge to both legal and undocumented newcomers, with institutions of learning and research that can improve all of our lives, cancer cells have no redeeming features at all.
As my Second Born could have told you themselves if they were old enough to have their own social media accounts.
@zl2tod @jon One more thing to consider with the "Humans are cancer" concept.
Many people who want children struggle to conceive and/or struggle with miscarriages once conception is a fact.
In the end many of these people have to accept that they will never become parents.
These struggles to produce just one new human being can in no way be compared to the ease and speed with which cancer cells can reproduce and spread throughout a human body.
Paul Ashby@jon Original quote is from Edward Abbey in a 1969 piece in LOOK magazine, and reads:
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.”
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SonictroubadourSounds like a critique of capitalism to me...just saying!
EugenioLiberoBocca@Sonictroubadour @jon still haven't quite understood what the alternative would be...
@EugenioLiberoBocca @Sonictroubadour @jon yes it's a critique of capitalism.
The alternatives include everything humans did before capitalism as well as what many indigenous cultures still do. That is, living within our ecological means. Never taking more than can be replenished. Sustainable means that you don't degrade ecosystems over time.
See also the ideas around #postgrowth and #degrowth.
@jamesgbradbury @Sonictroubadour @jon i know about degrowth and the likes, but they simply can't work because they imply that humans would have to give up some parts of their well being, which no one would ever do. What we actually need is to decouple.
@EugenioLiberoBocca @Sonictroubadour @jon I don't believe that endless growth is needed for wellbeing. Indeed it is not delivering wellbeing for the vast majority. If we degrow destructive industries we can have space to grow those which actually improve people's lives.
@jamesgbradbury @Sonictroubadour @jon real gdp per capita is directly linked to happiness. Of course it's not the only factor, we also need more equality, access to education and healthcare.
But it kinda feels like you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Capitalism needs reforms and heavy investment in green energy sources by rich countries so everyone can adopt them, but it's what gotten us to where we are, that is the most advanced and happiest society in the history of humanity.
But it kinda feels like you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Capitalism needs reforms and heavy investment in green energy sources by rich countries so everyone can adopt them, but it's what gotten us to where we are, that is the most advanced and happiest society in the history of humanity.
@EugenioLiberoBocca @jamesgbradbury @Sonictroubadour @jon Just sharing a little laugh, don't mind me.
Generale Specifico@jon Cancer does it out of necessity, man does it out of greed.
@generalespecifico @jon Cancer does it out of dysfunction, humans much the same.
In cancer it is faulty genetic code, in humans it is a culture that self propagates and destroys much the same.
In cancer it is faulty genetic code, in humans it is a culture that self propagates and destroys much the same.
JoannaCanFixIT@jon FYI black and red diagonally are colours associated with anarcho-communism so you don't have to fight in comments if it is a critique of capitalism or not
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Wierci
Luc Sorel-Giffo@jon I would say it is a behavior rather than a strategy. But all the same...
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Masto.poetry@jon I should know….