Jon Henshaw
SonictroubadourSounds like a critique of capitalism to me...just saying!
EugenioLiberoBocca@Sonictroubadour @jon still haven't quite understood what the alternative would be...
(James Bradbury) has moved@EugenioLiberoBocca @Sonictroubadour @jon yes it's a critique of capitalism.
The alternatives include everything humans did before capitalism as well as what many indigenous cultures still do. That is, living within our ecological means. Never taking more than can be replenished. Sustainable means that you don't degrade ecosystems over time.
See also the ideas around #postgrowth and #degrowth.
@jamesgbradbury @Sonictroubadour @jon i know about degrowth and the likes, but they simply can't work because they imply that humans would have to give up some parts of their well being, which no one would ever do. What we actually need is to decouple.
@EugenioLiberoBocca @Sonictroubadour @jon I don't believe that endless growth is needed for wellbeing. Indeed it is not delivering wellbeing for the vast majority. If we degrow destructive industries we can have space to grow those which actually improve people's lives.
@jamesgbradbury @Sonictroubadour @jon real gdp per capita is directly linked to happiness. Of course it's not the only factor, we also need more equality, access to education and healthcare.
But it kinda feels like you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Capitalism needs reforms and heavy investment in green energy sources by rich countries so everyone can adopt them, but it's what gotten us to where we are, that is the most advanced and happiest society in the history of humanity.
But it kinda feels like you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Capitalism needs reforms and heavy investment in green energy sources by rich countries so everyone can adopt them, but it's what gotten us to where we are, that is the most advanced and happiest society in the history of humanity.
Dana@EugenioLiberoBocca @jamesgbradbury @Sonictroubadour @jon Just sharing a little laugh, don't mind me.