Dr Pen

Good morning from Elsevier. When I open my inbox to be greeted by this, I know the time has come to leave academia. It is rotten to the core, and totally lost sight of its *telos*. Read the article if you like. It is a lost delusion. States "AI is a tool" multiple times. It's not. Its a pattern matching text generator. (Jon Dron wrote a great piece on this recently.)

#academia #academicchatter #ai #genai
https://www.elsevier.com/connect/rethinking-peer-review-in-the-ai-era-with-responsibility-and-transparency

Oct 28 at 6:43amElk
Show threadEl DuvelleOct 28
@DrPen 😖
Show threadEl DuvelleOct 28
@DrPen scientific articles and peer-reviewing is the latest place that we'll ever want or need "AI" in!! But of course coming from #Elsevier that's not surprising at all that they're considering it - they want money, not truth
Show threadTheSecondVariationOct 28
@DrPen Well I would say everybody agrees that Elsevier is rotten to the core.
Show threadLuis FalconOct 28
@DrPen And always the same mantra... "AI as a support tool, not a substitute". As support tool for researchers, a support tool for physicians... this shortsighted, neoliberal, stupid movement just can't wait to replace us by stochastic parrots.
It's not just the academia, it's society what is rotten.
Show threadNot a Spring OnionOct 28

@DrPen Elsevier is just a parasite getting fat on the work of researchers.

Or maybe... "Elsevier could be categorized as organized crime, laundering grant money through a distributed network of researchers."

Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsOct 28
@wakame @DrPen a distributed and largely reluctant network of reserachers, who only use them because otherwise they fall off the tenure track #lang_en
Show threadbituur esztreymOct 28

@DrPen
the
"Want to sharpen your peer review skills?"
had me ('m not an academic, my wife is/was)

answer is simple:
put AI & Elsevier together & KIWF: Kill it with fire!
`w;7[) #prplXprpgnd

Show threadNoBorgOct 28

@DrPen
No, don't leave Academia, leave Elsevier and join Hal ;)
#Science #academia #publishers

https://hal.science/

Home - Archive ouverte HAL

Show threadDr PenOct 28
@hadon yes, it's in fact a good idea. I've got a few papers on Socarxiv but Hal has a better presence in search results, so I should move in there!
Show threadAlbert CardonaOct 28

@DrPen One wonders who is an "Elsevier Expert" and who is in the "Research Academy Team", or whether these are all LLMs to begin with, given the content.

#academia

Show threadDr PenOct 28
@albertcardona considering the high ratio of em-dashes in the email text I thought it was either AI generated or they are just trolling us.
Show threadgrepeOct 28
@DrPen perhaps you missed the point? first, text generators can be tools (wearher you like it or not). second, they repeatedly state there is no replacement for human judgement. and last, what they insinuate is kind of worse than what you suggest: they are talking about using it "responsibly" and immediately state that their current policies forbid you to give (or make?) your manuscript with LLM, bit they will be more than happy to feed it there...
Show threadDr PenOct 28
@grepe this may be of interest https://jondron.ca/just-a-metatool-some-thoughts-why-generative-ais-are-not-tools/
Just a metatool? Some thoughts why generative AIs are not tools

Many people brush generative AI aside as being just a tool. ChatGPT describes itself as such (I asked). I think it’s more complicated than that, and this post is going to be an attempt to explain w…

Jon Dron's home page
Show threadgrepeOct 28
@DrPen ok, i read it. i don't see where the statement you claim (llm's are not tools) is proven there. it seemed more like a free flowing mind dump than some structured argument.
Show threadDr PenOct 28
@grepe well I think we'll have to agree to differ