You just don't understand the fourth industrial revolution
@gabriel 300B dollars of value generated btw
@roland
Economics IRL

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Just came here to tell this joke.

@gabriel @roland Redundant, though, as Krugman was already full of crap.
@[email protected] Tictokk feeds into Oracle as of next month I think. The Oracle will need a trash can as output. #InspirationalDiagramUpdate
@gabriel no, no, I understand it perfectly.
I just don't *want* to.
@gabriel this is just money laundering right?
@spork @gabriel Economists call this "Growing the economy" as $300 Billion in GDP just occurred!!
@spork no no, money laundering is what *criminals* do. You wouldn't want to accuse well-funded corporations of anything untoward now, would you, Citizen?
@womble Sorry, I meant obfuscational finance.
@gabriel I'm a systems architect, and there is lots of money to be made with the data centers....if you can get them to pay their invoices. All three of them are terrible at paying their invoices. I've heard of people being 60 days out and not making payroll. And they finally pay when nobody shows up. I don't think either three of them know what the fuck their doing, TBH. It's a cluster.
@gabriel How to go bankrupt for dummies
@gabriel you don’t understand the tax benefits of this arrangement. Now each of them has a 100b deductible!
@gabriel Is it to create illusion of growth?
@gabriel 300 billion has been created in GDP in this image
@kennergf @gabriel To be fair, economies aren't sustained by the mere existence of money, but by money moving through them. That said, this kind of deal is clearly unhealthy as it kinda creates its own tiny economy, separate from the primary. It's a bit like how the occasional first-cousin marriage isn't too bad, but if you make a habit of it, then the isolated gene pool becomes stagnant and fetid.
@kennergf @gabriel Ah, but the brilliance of this image is that you can iterate it multiple times! The only limit to the amount of GDP generated is the speed at which the lawyers can edit the documents!

@kennergf @gabriel not to be a party pooper, but looking at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product isn't that compensated for?

When using the 'production approach' it'd fall under 'intermediate consumption', for the 'income' approach the income would be balanced by the expense. I don't quite understand the 'expenditure' approach, is that the one you're referring to? Seems surprising if that would be so fundamentally different.

Not saying GDP is a particularly strong measurement of anything, though, to be clear.

Gross domestic product - Wikipedia

@raboof @gabriel yes, I refer to the expenditure approach, that is the sum of all products and services produced in a country.

@kennergf doesn't that one also only count "final uses" and not "intermediate consumption"? I'd say the above would be "intermediate consumption"?

(again, not saying GDP is good, but it's not *that* comically bad AFAICT)

@gabriel Basically nVidia gets some voting rights or other perks from OpenAI for free, because OpenAI somehow has to give them something for that investment. Not a dumb move, for nVidia
@kwramm nvidia votes for openai to keep buying lots of GPUs.
@gabriel It's the subprime mortgage crisis, except with better branding and WAY! worse...
@gabriel Unfortunately, we can no longer ask Bernie Madoff. I bet he could have.

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Makes one wonder, what might collapse first? The AI models or the bubble? 🫣

@[email protected] #alt4you

An image of a multi socket extension cord plugged into itself.

This is followed by a diagram explaining the current business relationship between OpenAI, Oracle and Nvidia, in which OpenAI gives $100000000000 to Oracle, who then gives it to Nvidia, who then gives it back to OpenAI.
@gabriel In an interesting if unsurprising twist, it turns out to be a circle of jerks.
AI is just ripping off the business model of the crypto """industry""". For years, #Tether has issued fake dollars """backed""" by #Bitcoin loans. These fake dollars were then used to purchase more bitcoin, driving up the price and yielding more bitcoin to use as collateral for fake dollars. Few.
@gabriel wonder who among them will be first to realize that they are playing hot potatoe with $100b…

@gabriel

Isn't it easier to understand like this?

@gabriel *sigh*

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Photo of a power strip with the cord plugged into one of the sockets.

Beneath it, a diagram showing a triangle with the logos of OpenAI, Oracle, and NVidia. Arrows labeled "$100 billion" connect OpenAI to Oracle, Oracle to Nvidia, and Nvidia to OpenAI.

@gabriel is this the circular economy I’ve heard so much about?

@gabriel Artists 🤝 AI Companies

Constantly passing the same money between each other

@gabriel To be clear this is not meant to impugn artists; it just struck me funny that these companies are just passing the same $5 around

Possibly not the same money, @SaberaMesia

Each company is likely to see its market value grow by more than $100 billion, because an investment of that size makes a company significantly more capable of generating future value—a prospect that drives up its stock price.

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@hgfernan yeah because market value is fake, thanks, I know how it works

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Oh shit, they're gonna pump America's GDP* through the roof!

*GDP is probably a better measure of economic redundancy and wealthy parasitism than any personal well being

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@gabriel @hbons this feels like money laundering.
@gabriel Don't forget the three arrows that is everyones pension money being "invested" into this lunacy... burst already.
@gabriel the faster it moves, the more the stock goes up
@gabriel Ed Zitron has pointed out that NVIDIA is now doing almost exactly the thing that brought Enron down
@gabriel @santiago Peloteo 🤷🏻‍♂️

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is that how trump plugs in his computer?

@gabriel Alt text: Above - A North American multi-plug extension strip, plugged into itself. Below: a circular directed graph of Oracle, nVidia, and OpenAI each investing USD$100B in one another.
@gabriel I think that's called money laundering.

@gabriel

Wait... wasn't that also how "Web 3" worked?

@gabriel I still don't understand WHY Oracle is in that picture.