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I use Vivaldi and I do not want AI anywhere.
Yay! :)
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this is really appreciated
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"Firefox adding a bunch of AI features and vivaldi choosing not to has me really eyeing vivaldi for my students"
You can't compare Firefox with a Chromium fork and in the same time, exclude Chrome
Firefox is the same as Chrome or Safari and (sadly) they are doing like them (AI features)
If you want to be honest intellectually, you have to compare Vivaldi to a FF fork, like Librewolf for example
@jon Great to hear.
I've been using Vivaldi as my secondary browser but stuff like this makes me think maybe I should make it my primary.
@jon I switched to vivaldi about 6 months ago and I'm mostly happy and love the customisation options.
There's just one more thing I'd like to see from Vivaldi: a few more green check marks on this page https://privacytests.org - less tracking and more focus on privacy.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you! You seem to be the only browser listening to their users on this.
@Catweazle @jon for me the choice is easy: I rather have more browser engines in play than reinforcing the near monopoly.
I applaud what Vivaldi does, and it's the better choice when it comes to chromium based browsers, but it's not for me.
@jan @jon, currently all engines are monopolies, depending of big companies. It's by far the most complex part of an browser with a complicate maintance which need a big team of devs.
This is the reason because there are not more engines since almost 20 years, except some marginal forks.
I remember an advice of an browser who anouced awork on a new, independent engine, but this never ocurred and if it is still in work, ther won't be an alpha at least unil 2029.
Don't confuse it, in the wiki you'll find a list with over 100 browsers and another one with almost 70 discontinued.
There isn`t a real alternative to Blink by Google, Gecko by Mozilla (and Google) and WebKit by Apple, apart some irrelevant forks of Blink, Gecko and some indie engines for text only browsers.
The only different one is Konqueror from KDE which use KHTML, the Ancestor from Blink and WebKit. Linux only and pretty limited.
That is the current panorama. Even so, the small Vivaldi team offers the most advanced browser which currently exist.
@Catweazle yet, I see no reason whatsoever to further confirm the defacto blink monopoly. If you look at the numbers, they have it. Webkit for now on apple mobile devices, but that might shift too.
We need MORE people on alternative browser engines to keep a level playing field, not less.
@jan, which alternatives? They don't really exist. Chromium is 100% FOSS and can be forked and de-googled as anyone like and Vivaldi, De-Googled Chromium and even EDGE and Opera are doing (latter inbuilding their own tracking crap and AIs). Everybody use Chromium (Blink) because it's the most advanced engine, outscoring Gecko and even
more WebKit. That is fact.
Yes, it's desirable to have more elections, but this was needed to do 15 years ago, currently nobody is capable to do it, not even using a lot of different Gecko forks like Floorp, Zen, Waterfox and whatever more, because it wouldn't change anything in a significant procent in the current domain. Simply because Mozilla without Google support, even in the Gecko development, and recently contract other advertising Company wouldn't survive.
Well, which alternative, apart to making the best of the existing ones? In Vivaldi is guaranted in Mozilla not so sure.
@Catweazle I'm going to end this here. You clearly are very invested and interested in Vivaldi, which is your right. I choose not to be because I don't think just having Blink as the monopoly is a good thing.
Gecko and Mozilla have their faults. Yet just saying "everybody uses blink" and "it's the most technicaly advanced" (no sources given)...
It's basically saying: "I give up. I accept that there's a monopoly, Google has the right to do whatever it wants" (which it already does). Whatever google decides for Blink, Vivaldi and the other downstream browsers will have to swallow. They can fight a bit... but not on the browser engine. (the same is true for Gecko, but I believe they are fundamentally different from Google)
I currently use Firefox, and I'll be checking out Orion whenever it arrives on Linux. Because choice matters, and diversity matters (everywhere).
@rozodru @jan, it's a good choice if you have an own server or pays for one, I don't. As said, I use Vivaldi since almost 10 years and sync since almost then, never losed anything with it, I still have data and bookmarks form 2017. Three PC later running Linux and several Windows since than and always recovering all my data entering in sync after installing Vivaldi.
Yes, there was an issue some month ago with an server crash (it ocurred even to Google itself some years ago), but even so I lose nothing with it. Also an own server can fail, so it isn't sooo much safer as to use an ee2e, no knowledge one from Vivaldi, except you forgot your encryption password ๐. But this, shit can always happen in any server, because this it's always important an independent backup of the most important data.
@Catweazle @rozodru I have no idea how you work, but that would not work for me. Let alone the fact that one of the platforms I use my browser of choice on is mobile.
Add to that that any kind of sync should be automatic, or it just won't happen. Humans are fallible, forgetful and lazy creatures.
@jan @rozodru, the Vivaldi sync is automatic after activating, but backup is used as additional safety, it isn't beed to make continuosly, only if there is an significant change in important data (eg.new account, password changes, etc.)
I'm very old and because not so good sight, working on a small mobile screen and keyboard isn't an option for me.
@rozodru @jan, I'm not a programmer and for me there are no differences to see the sourcecode of an browserengine or an text in ancient Babylonic.
But I know that it is extremly difficult to release and maintan it. A lot of respect to all which do it, even for those with indie and text browsers like the Qute you mencioned.
But i also know, precisely for this, that it is impossible to swich easily the engine of an browser, in this case of Vivaldi, without creating all new from scratch.
As mencioned, I use the Zen browser as second, which is a Firefox fork with some few features I love in Vivaldi, but I don't see an Vivaldi like the current on Gecko with all the features it has for 6 different OS, this seems almost impossible to me.
Yes, Chromiu has this smell of Big Brother and it's the one it's use, but there isn't no other to make the best of it in the most ethical way, eliminating the Big Brother from it, which is fairly difficult enough as one of the devs wrote in a blog sometime ago, where you for sure better understand the details as I do, I think that it is for Gecko not so different.
https://yngve.vivaldi.net/sooo-you-say-you-want-to-maintain-a-chromium-fork/
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