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@jon now please switch to another base than the chromium one...
@jan @jon, sadly not possible, switching the engine means developing Vivaldi from scratch qith years of work. It will be it's end.
Apart switching eg. to Gecko, means depending on Mozilla, which currently also isn't much better.
The outdated WebKit from Apple also isn't a solution.
There are currently only this three valid engines out there + it's indi forks Qt and Goanna with a deficient maintance.
It's enough for a small team to maintain the Chromium base Google - clean, which is perfectly done by great Vivaldi devs.

@Catweazle @jon for me the choice is easy: I rather have more browser engines in play than reinforcing the near monopoly.

I applaud what Vivaldi does, and it's the better choice when it comes to chromium based browsers, but it's not for me.

@jan @jon, currently all engines are monopolies, depending of big companies. It's by far the most complex part of an browser with a complicate maintance which need a big team of devs.

This is the reason because there are not more engines since almost 20 years, except some marginal forks.
I remember an advice of an browser who anouced awork on a new, independent engine, but this never ocurred and if it is still in work, ther won't be an alpha at least unil 2029.

Don't confuse it, in the wiki you'll find a list with over 100 browsers and another one with almost 70 discontinued.
There isn`t a real alternative to Blink by Google, Gecko by Mozilla (and Google) and WebKit by Apple, apart some irrelevant forks of Blink, Gecko and some indie engines for text only browsers.
The only different one is Konqueror from KDE which use KHTML, the Ancestor from Blink and WebKit. Linux only and pretty limited.

That is the current panorama. Even so, the small Vivaldi team offers the most advanced browser which currently exist.

@Catweazle yet, I see no reason whatsoever to further confirm the defacto blink monopoly. If you look at the numbers, they have it. Webkit for now on apple mobile devices, but that might shift too.

We need MORE people on alternative browser engines to keep a level playing field, not less.

@jan, which alternatives? They don't really exist. Chromium is 100% FOSS and can be forked and de-googled as anyone like and Vivaldi, De-Googled Chromium and even EDGE and Opera are doing (latter inbuilding their own tracking crap and AIs). Everybody use Chromium (Blink) because it's the most advanced engine, outscoring Gecko and even
more WebKit. That is fact.

Yes, it's desirable to have more elections, but this was needed to do 15 years ago, currently nobody is capable to do it, not even using a lot of different Gecko forks like Floorp, Zen, Waterfox and whatever more, because it wouldn't change anything in a significant procent in the current domain. Simply because Mozilla without Google support, even in the Gecko development, and recently contract other advertising Company wouldn't survive.

Well, which alternative, apart to making the best of the existing ones? In Vivaldi is guaranted in Mozilla not so sure.

@Catweazle I'm going to end this here. You clearly are very invested and interested in Vivaldi, which is your right. I choose not to be because I don't think just having Blink as the monopoly is a good thing.

Gecko and Mozilla have their faults. Yet just saying "everybody uses blink" and "it's the most technicaly advanced" (no sources given)...
It's basically saying: "I give up. I accept that there's a monopoly, Google has the right to do whatever it wants" (which it already does). Whatever google decides for Blink, Vivaldi and the other downstream browsers will have to swallow. They can fight a bit... but not on the browser engine. (the same is true for Gecko, but I believe they are fundamentally different from Google)

I currently use Firefox, and I'll be checking out Orion whenever it arrives on Linux. Because choice matters, and diversity matters (everywhere).

@jan , you can test it with any browser benchmark out there. I use Vivaldi since almost 10 years now, also several other browser for tests and other tasks, currently the Zen browser, certainly a nice one and some others, even indies like SSuite Netsurf. I know of what I'm speaking. But my reasons to use Vivaldi is because practical aspects, apart of beeing the only EU browser, well, there is also still the dying Mullvad, I also tested, good privacy but apart of this too basic for me. Apart I don't want to sync with Mozilla to share my account data with Alphabet, but sync is essential for me, also some features which apart Vivaldi nobody else offers, at least badly using extensions.
Objective reasons, a lot, but anybody use the browser which best fits his needs, period.
@Catweazle @jan also keep in mind you don't HAVE to sync with Mozilla or Google you CAN sync with your own server. that's what I do. and just be REALLY careful syncing with Vivaldi. It's fine but the primary reason I ditched them was because of they're syncing. It wasn't as secure nor as reliable as I would have liked. Maybe they fixed it since I last used but for me it broke more times than it actually worked. Don't get me wrong I don't trust Mozilla either which is why I went for the self hosting option.

@rozodru @jan, it's a good choice if you have an own server or pays for one, I don't. As said, I use Vivaldi since almost 10 years and sync since almost then, never losed anything with it, I still have data and bookmarks form 2017. Three PC later running Linux and several Windows since than and always recovering all my data entering in sync after installing Vivaldi.

Yes, there was an issue some month ago with an server crash (it ocurred even to Google itself some years ago), but even so I lose nothing with it. Also an own server can fail, so it isn't sooo much safer as to use an ee2e, no knowledge one from Vivaldi, except you forgot your encryption password πŸ’€. But this, shit can always happen in any server, because this it's always important an independent backup of the most important data.

@rozodru that is on my todo list, but more urgent things to do first ;) @Catweazle
@jan @rozodru, it's easy, a simple pendrive, or for more security 2. if you want, and done in few seconds in between.

@Catweazle @rozodru I have no idea how you work, but that would not work for me. Let alone the fact that one of the platforms I use my browser of choice on is mobile.

Add to that that any kind of sync should be automatic, or it just won't happen. Humans are fallible, forgetful and lazy creatures.

@jan @rozodru, the Vivaldi sync is automatic after activating, but backup is used as additional safety, it isn't beed to make continuosly, only if there is an significant change in important data (eg.new account, password changes, etc.)

I'm very old and because not so good sight, working on a small mobile screen and keyboard isn't an option for me.