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Laura ✨🎨Literally every good person I know who is working in tech actually wants to be doing something else like gardening or carpentry, says a lot about how much we've all fucked up this industry
can@alicetragedy yes. For me the AI hype was the final nail in the coffin. Any ideas what I should do?
PAI: Benjamin T.Eel farming is something 🐟
@bulkorok @alicetragedy I am vegan, so that’s out of the question 😛
Becca 🌳🚀🛀
Joe Brockmeier (@jzb)
Supermoosie@bulkorok
Eels used to be a significant form of currency.
For example rents were written specifying how many eels you need to pay per year.
So you could try to pay for your rent, food and bills in eels.
See @greenleejw
karttu
Axel Rauschmayer@can That’s what I would do—if I enjoyed gardening (sadly, I don’t): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26qTgXJKMAE
He Farms 35 Hours a Week By Himself and Makes 6 Figures
nerdinand@alicetragedy this implies that if you knew me then i’d be a bad person? :-P
Xenia
Denis Buckley@alicetragedy
Not ALL of you tech folks! The greedy tech oligarchy aim to monopolise the tech with its 'silos' and algorithms. This allows them to monetise anti-Social, misogynist and racist materials to a wide audience. They don't mind this at all because, to them a racist's dime is exactly the same as a Socially aware, compassionate person's dime. And lately they've spread their poison worldwide.
Not ALL of you tech folks! The greedy tech oligarchy aim to monopolise the tech with its 'silos' and algorithms. This allows them to monetise anti-Social, misogynist and racist materials to a wide audience. They don't mind this at all because, to them a racist's dime is exactly the same as a Socially aware, compassionate person's dime. And lately they've spread their poison worldwide.
uncapybarable@alicetragedy Same. And, god, gardening and carpentry sound lovely.
I never want to have to hear about generative AI or Jira again.
Chris Routh (He/Him)@uncapybarable @alicetragedy this. So much this.
I'm now thinking very much of this:
"In fact, when I think about all the folks I used to work on web shit with and what they’re currently doing, the majority are now woodworkers, ceramicists, knitters, painters, writers, etc. People who make things tend to move on when there’s nothing left to make. Nothing to make but the Torment Nexus."
https://buttondown.com/monteiro/archive/how-to-not-build-the-torment-nexus/
Ringo Rohe"Doing something with wood" we say. 🙂
ydorb@alicetragedy design too. I love computers but I hate working like this. My job makes me love weeding the garden
DJGummikuh@alicetragedy if only it would pay comparably 🙈
@DJGummikuh yeah right? imagine if the important jobs (healthcare, trash management, education, etc.) were paid adequately... what a utopia
Svenja@alicetragedy well, if I knew what to do instead, that is...
Suzan 🇪🇺@alicetragedy I can relate to this so so much.
Only now sure what else to do...
Only now sure what else to do...
Bill, organizer of stuff@alicetragedy Yep. 30 years in the industry, and I finally made the leap to create @millforge a little over a year ago. Best career move I've ever made.
@wcbdata @millforge oh my god! 🔥 😍
european handle 
🎏@alicetragedy Gardening professionally and tech as a hobby, that's the dream, a little tech shed next to the farm.
@kurt love it <3
Eco Youths Network Uganda@kurt @alicetragedy I liked your idea.
Arcaik@alicetragedy It also says a lot about us underestimating the skill it takes to do those jobs.
@Arcaik yep 1000% with you on this
Allyn@alicetragedy
I take offence with the way you’ve phrased this “we’ve all fucked up this industry”.
I didn’t fuck anything up, there’s a whole tranche of billionaires, C-suite assholes, tech bros, and AI evangelists who own that blame.
I just like making cool stuff with code & electronics.
But yeah, I’m looking to become a carpenter / artist / free spirit too 😂
@Allyn yeah, I know. I hesitated writing it this way and went back and forth on the phrasing... but I also think that I have at least a very tiny bit of responsibility in this even though I don't see myself as a greedy AI tech bro/sis asshole. 🙈
@alicetragedy I get you but it’s good to consistently reframe the blame back to where it really lies.
Having a tough week in the office is one thing.
Removing DEI, colluding to keep wages down, invasive monitoring and surveillance, forcing AI into every app, harvesting and storing data at massive scale is another thing altogether.
There’s not a lot individual workers can do to fight back against big tech.
@alicetragedy by the way, I hope my messages doesn't come across as attacking you - I agree with your original toot and I empathize.
I'm just raging against the machine right now 😅
Julia Rez(low whistle)
You know that's just going to poke the sort of people who's burnout is guilt for not feeling they've done enough to deserve to be burned out.
draNgNon@JuliaRez nobody "deserves" to be burned out
Ms Ngo@Allyn @alicetragedy Let’s not have a redux of “not ALL [insert group here]”. It’s really not helpful. This isn’t an attack on you personally.
@causticmsngo @alicetragedy
Your very much arguing a false equivalency here and I don't appreciate it.
Your very much arguing a false equivalency here and I don't appreciate it.
Lance (Thank you for 11 Views)@alicetragedy I'm so over tech support. It gets worse every day as the number of skills required (and systems involved) expands. My neurology is poorly suited for it.
If I could make the same money digging fence posts, I'd be all about it.
Aethel@alicetragedy im learning german just so that i could drive a tram here, after the next inevitable wave of layoffs. Was thinking about plumbing, but i hate taking hair out of the drain
Ben Buchanan@alicetragedy also says a lot about how much the world has devalued craft, trades and art.
@200ok yes. that is soooo true. (unfortunately)
codebreaker 🐈⬛@alicetragedy
Middle Management, LinkedIn Coaches, the no code movement... People want to create and build.
Instead, they're forced to glue incompatible systems together via boomi or use a crm as a database.
Oumar FALL
Matt Wilcox@alicetragedy No lie detected.
Dr. Lämmerbein@alicetragedy Nah, we're just easily bored of the same old problems and don't want to deal with money or emotion driven solutions if we're able to implement the perfect solution on a technical level. It isn't even that, I think. It's probably implementing the hacky solution first and then the real solution after months of arguing with people who didn't understand the problem in the first place.
woe2you@alicetragedy Can you blame us? Nobody's trying to say spades and saws don't need us.
Maxi 12x 💉@alicetragedy Had a related thread a while ago about this in German, lots of interesting responses:
Maxi 11x 💉 (@[email protected])
Mich interessiert, ob sich momentan nicht immer mehr ITler grundsätzliche Fragen zu ihrem Verbleib in der IT stellen. Wie sehen die Zukunftsaussichten aus, wenn sich alles nur noch ums LLM-Popowischen dreht? Das ist doch nicht unbedingt, weshalb viele in die Informatik gewollt haben.
David HarleyWell, I haven't been able to opt right out out of tech since I retired, but I've certainly been glad to find there are lots of other things to write about!
Faye@alicetragedy @thestrangelet we’ve gone from “building legitimately cool stuff”, to “OK so the stuff is maybe not useful to the world but at least I can focus on the craft”, to “OK, we’re being pressured into being glorified code reviewers and babysitters now?”.
If I’d known this was the direction the industry was going to go when I started out I’d have picked a different career.
Cenbe@alicetragedy I took early retirement 10 years ago because it was getting so bad... [shudder]
FelichsI walked away when I realised I was more qualified than the people I was advising who got paid way more than me. They want and easy and understandable to +them+, and had no interest in putting effort in to bridge the gaps. GTFOH. I'm sure they went all in on Blockchain, ai, etc without a single clue how it was supposed to solve any problems. But at least they could put it on their CV.
Michael Stanclift@alicetragedy one of my kids is talking about how he wants to learn to code and become a software engineer. It's hard for me to be enthusiastic about it.
Steggy@vmstan @alicetragedy got a kid second year of uni doing CS. He is so over AI it isn’t even funny. We are hoping that after the AI BS goes down in flames, they will need people who actually understand stuff to rebuild.
Alex Hyett@alicetragedy definitely down for spending my time drawing or playing guitar instead. I will probably still make software as a hobby though!