@bobjonkman asks:

Q7. Forest fires across the world have blown smoke to places hundreds of (miles|km) from the fires. Air quality has gone down, some days to dangerous levels. Have you adjusted your biking because of low air quality? Changed your route? Worn an N95 mask? Stopped biking?

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@bobjonkman @bikenite

A7. I'd love to see some good answers to this.. I tried riding 15 minutes in a N95 and was having a really hard time breathing. The AQI was bad that day, so I am not sure if I would have had an easier time breathing without the mask.

I have seen powered masks/filters with a battery powered fan that drives filtered air into your masked area. I hope I don't have to try one, but we (collectively) are arsoning our environment 😩

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@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite

I use one of the cartridge elastomeric respirators that has an exhalation valve, which makes wearing the mask much more manageable for me (but clearly not helpful for reducing disease transmission to other people!).

@theantlady @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7 I have a 3M half respirator P100 mask and found that for my model I could buy add on exhalation filters. See part#604 - https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/v101254496/

The P100 with charcoal filters is so good I can paint or stand next to a bbq and smell absolutely nothing. #BikeNite

@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite #BikeNite A7. I think the problem of NOT wearing a mask on a bad AQI day is the permanent damage it does to your lungs (which will make it that much harder for you to breathe in the future). When the AQI is bad, I will hike and bicycle in a mask. That said, there are a few options you might try. ONE, is make sure you have a good fitting mask of good quality (3M N95's are the top notch ones, and I'll wear those hiking or biking no problem). You ALSO might try N95s with an exhalation valve, where you can exhale easier.. it really reduces the pressure in and out for breathing with an N95 mask. (these are usually only found at hardware stores, because they were not allowed many places during the pandemic. Pretty handy for dusty area work though).
@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite #BikeNite A7. related story, we have to walk the dog even in bad air (and can't figure out a mask for him) otherwise he has intestinal problems, so I will hike in an N95 with him until he does his business and go home. My son (who hates N95's 🙄 ) won't wear a mask hiking, but EVERY TIME this happens I am fine, but we're only halfway through and he has a massive headache and can't breathe and starts coughing. (the fix of course is to just wear the N95... it's much better than scarring your lungs). I only wish it worked for the dog.
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There are smoke masks for dogs, but I don't know how effective they are and it takes some work to get the dog to accept and wear one. There are also cheaper ones that almost certainly don't filter well and aren't breathable.
https://www.k9mask.com/
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@ai6yr Does your son hate all masks or just N95s? He might be more comfortable and willing to wear an ultra breathable Savewo Ultra. I learned about them from a Masknerd video about breathable masks with N95-level filtration. I wear one when walking the dog in bad air or when exercising indoors with others.
https://www.family-masks.com/products/savewo-3dmask-ultra-m-white
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73JWxBXqIR0&t=1590s
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@kateiacy First Responder syndrome. 🙄

@ai6yr @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite

I have biked long distances and done the marathon while wearing a mask. Just bring a spare for when the first one gets saturated.

But on bad air quality days I more commonly give up and do my exercise inside.

@ai6yr @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7 excellent points! 3m half respirator are specifically designed for moderate exertion, whereas most n95s are not (medical seeing). By increasing the filter size, you can decrease the breathing resistance, so they came up with a specification and designed to it. #BikeNite
@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7 I experimented with diy powered air purifier and found that 10 cfm kept up with heavy exertion. I used a heater filter and a tiny 12 watt blower with speed control and it had no problem keeping up with my breathing. However I had concerns about leaks and the lack of a charcoal filter to deal with the chemicals in wildfire smoke so I only tested it that once. I connected a 1" corrugated (flexible) tube to a mask with 3d printed adapters. #BikeNite
What every cyclist needs to know about wildfire smoke

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@virtuous_sloth @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite I was just about to post this! A very good video that is definitely going to influence how I approach this in LA.
@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite
I do have to say that when I've used a KN95 mask when it is smokey I've found it totally takes away the smell which tells me something, especially knowing what such a mask is designed to do.

@virtuous_sloth

I've noticed that with perfumes and air "fresheners" too -- I don't smell them until I take off my KN95 mask.

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@virtuous_sloth

Yes, that video, played by $SPOUSE at a volume intended to attract my attention, is what prompted the question.

https://mastodon.sdf.org/@bobjonkman/114867026372222260

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Bob Jonkman (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Hi Phil: Another #BikeNitePQ: Forest fires across the world have blown smoke to places hundreds of (miles|kilometres) from the fires. Air quality has gone down, some days to dangerous levels. Have you adjusted your biking because of low air quality? Changed your route? Worn an N95 mask? Stopped biking?

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@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite

A7 Special case, I camp much of the time. Each morning I look online at the NOAA smoke map, then try to go where the smoke isn't. It's not always possible.

Not sure what I'll do if NOAA no longer has the personnel to make the maps...

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PurpleAir is crowd-sourced, so it would not be affected by NOAA cuts.

https://map.purpleair.com/

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@andytiedye @wanderinghermit @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite It is affected by people being able to afford a sensor to put on the network. Luckily, the US has pretty good coverage.

Albania, though... #BikeNite

True, but whatever Albania has will not be affected by cuts in the US NOAA in any event.

@meganL @wanderinghermit @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite

@andytiedye @ascentale @bikenite Places like this that didn't have their own strong meteorological and atmospheric science departments probably were using and relying on US departments more than we realized. I certainly didn't know how many (more developed even) European countries used NOAA data until the fascists started slashing.

But even in the US, the coverage is going to be better in places with a higher average income. Not everyone can afford to buy a sensor for that network. #BikeNite

I think #CrowdSourcing and #CollectiveAction are the keys here. People there might not be able to afford a sensor themselves, but could the local cycling club?

In a small country like Albania, it might be feasable to set up your own network using open-source software and less-pricey sensors (but beware of quality issues on the really cheap ones).

@meganL @ascentale @bikenite

My Apple Watch usually displays the air quality, I'm not sure where it gets it from, but, wherever it is, it doesn't work in Australia, where I was recently visiting.

@meganL @ascentale @bikenite

The loss of NOAA satellite data will be a blow to weather forecasting around the world. I am not sure that the impact on air quality measurement will be as high though, since you cannot accurately measure air quality from a satellite. It is unlikely that NOAA has air quality sensors on the ground in other countries.

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@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7. I've been lucky enough not to live somewhere there are bad fires, but ever since the pandemic started, I was wearing N95s anyway. Including while cycling. If I start breathing too hard, either I slow down or take rests. But it really didn't give me a problem much...only on bigger hills.

When it comes to exercising during low air quality days, it's important to keep that shit out of your lungs. #BikeNite

@meganL @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite

A7. We get really bad Canadian smoke (AQI over 200 a few times!), and I am thinking of getting a GATA mask for any outdoor activity when the air is bad, plus it seems like it would be perfect for riding due to it being silicone and having replaceable filters.

https://www.gatapack.com

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@puppethead @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite Starting in the '80s or '90s, I occasionally used a mask called Green Screen, which looked similar, but had an insert for a carbon filter. It was helpful keeping out that chunky exhaust coming out of city buses. But I stopped being able to find them and eventually the foam fell apart.

For a N95 with replaceable filters, I've got a Flo Mask. Also has a silicone frame. https://www.flomask.com/ #BikeNite

Flo Mask

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@puppethead @meganL @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite I used these mid-pandemic when I was working construction. Condensation from my breath would pool in them and splash back on me in a way that was *deeply* unpleasant. I ended up going back to disposables after a month of trying to figure out how to live with the GATA.

@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7: as always I have a blog post :) https://www.uradmonitor.com/smoggie-in-sydney/

Right now in Sydney AQI is pretty good so I'm not wearing a mask when riding, I wear it because of the pandemic (that has gone away!) mostly as a chin warmer when riding but I do move it up at a couple of places where I cross major traffic sewers.

Per blog post, I'll go right up to an industrial N99 mark if I feel I have to, and just ride to suit the amount of air I get through it.

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@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite

I'm currently in a place that mostly gets smoke from Canadian wildfires. I put on an N95 mask for the really smoky days, and run indoor air filters at home and at work. With the mask on, I tend to really take it easy when riding. Learned that I'm "sensitive people" while living in CA dealing with smoke there, which was worse.

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#BikeNite A7: I've been wearing an N95 pretty much any time I'm out of the house for a few years now (basically, since I learned how much more effective they are compared to cloth masks) and that includes cycling.

My usual mask is a 3M Aura, though on a recommendation from a friend I've started keeping a V-flex handy for really intense rides (e.g. I'm running late for an appointment across town) because that "duckbill" style mask has more surface area and correspondingly better airflow. I think it took a little getting used to at first, but I hardly notice it now. I occasionally ride with an elastomeric respirator, but usually reserve those for indoor spaces and/or big crowds.

Edit: Right, the question was about smoke! With an N95 as part of my normal riding kit, I don't worry too much about air quality these days because I'm already doing pretty thorough mitigation for it.

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@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7. I won't bike if air's really bad. I dropped the kid off once when a pool chemical plant caught on fire and on the way home was wondering why my throat was feeling rough before it clicked. On a later errand I decided to take the car since it was available.

I do have some masks as well, but even the vented one isn't a great fit (slightly too small) and is rough with glasses.

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@edd @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7 you should check out the 3m half respirator masks. Ask around to try one just for fit. They come in a large range of sizes. A proper fitting mask is so good, that they in general will not fog up glasses (no leaks) and comfortable enough to wear for hours (minus heat/sweat issues). Worst case one could rig up exhaust deflectors to direct hot steamy air away. #BikeNite
@trouble @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite Yea, the one I had was the one-size-fits-average-only mask from The People's Co. when I bought my rain cape. It's just a touch too small for my face so it's both not terribly comfortable and doesn't seal on the cheeks.

@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite I’m a hiker, not a cyclist, but the problem is the same and I live in a place that’s prone to wildfire smoke. I won’t do a strenuous hike on days that the AQI is above 50 and won’t even do a light hike if it’s approaching a hundred. We’ve had days over 300 in the last couple of years and I avoid going outside at that point.

I’ve tried hiking with a mask but it gets saturated with moisture in a very short time and is then extremely unpleasant. I hike for fun and that isn’t fun.

If the AQI is bad, I just don't. If I try to exercise in an N95, I'm gasping for air. Not really the sort of thing I could get used to.

@mike_bowler @ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite

@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7. I think it was 2019, went for a morning ride, and the dawn sky was orange (giant pumpkin in the sky). I bought an n95 mask and wore that riding a lot that year. After lockdown eased and my gym opened up again, I wore it there as well (I still wear it in yoga classes). It is supposed to be less restrictive than conventional n95s. I’ve never really noticed it affecting the amount of air I was getting, unlike the p100 I had to wear for several months. I just stayed inside when I had to wear that. #BikeNite

@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7: I bike in KF94 masks routinely, which means it's normal for me and I've built up lung muscle strength for it, so smoke season doesn't matter all that much.

I still bike less during smoke season tho', just because it's all unpleasant and feels bad. :(

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#BikeNite A7: Last Monday I noticed the haze riding into the city, but didn't know about air quality warning until the ride home. So I wore an KN95 (straps around the ears; proper N95s have straps behind the head) and had no trouble with it. I rode pretty hard, so the mask was puffing in and out, but the fit was good and my glasses didn't fog up. Added bonus: I didn't swallow a single fly! (Flies have been pretty thick on the ride home lately and I've swallowed quite a few)

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@bobjonkman @ascentale @bikenite A7 I always ride with neck gaiters over my mouth (5x a week office commute) mostly to keep bugs out (20 mph ebike), but also to keep my cheeks warm. Amazing how much a thin cloth helps. Of course zero help with smoke. #BikeNite
@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7: in 2019, I had a big asthma response to wildfires and my stamina went from having just completed my first century ride down to struggling to ride 10 miles. Started wearing a half-face mask with P100 filters and it made a world of difference. I still nearly every ride with the mask on.

@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite

Luckily not a problem here - reading Q &As was a bit chilling as I hadn't grasped depth of problem in NAm

I used to wear a pollution mask but London has got a whole lot better and I always hated riding in it so not for last couple of years (I literally noticed the filter pads were lasting longer and longer before discoloration).

@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite #BikeNite A7. This Summer, my area hasn't been impacted by air quality problems, yet, but last Summer was pretty terrible. There were definitely nights when I ceased my fitness rides because of poor air quality, and there were definitely days when it was necessary to wear a mask while riding my ebike for errands. Changing my route is not really possible. I don't ride for pleasure, I ride for transportation or fitness, and my fitness rides are a fixed circuit.
@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite For my fitness rides, I ride a fixed circuit of my neighborhood, because I have a permanently wrecked knee, I ride a singlespeed bicycle, and that is the longest loop I could make without significant elevation changes, to spare putting too much pressure on my bad knee. Any longer ride would force me to traverse hills, and I don't want to use my ebike for fitness rides, it weighs more than twice as much.
@ascentale @bobjonkman A7. Air quality is a major summer problem here as my city is kind of a bowl surrounded by hills so the car pollution hangs around. I try to bike earlier in the day when air quality is better. On days when it’s bad even early, I’m more likely to not bike unless my work schedule makes that impossible. Then I take more direct routes & stick to strictly necessary rides. #BikeNite
@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite Great time for this to pop up. I’m going on a weeks ride and we’re periodcally getting terrible AQI from the wildfires our neighbors in #canada are dealing with. Just put 5 masks in my gear to pack. And, I’ve avoided riding several times this year due to the smoke. If I end up using a maske though, it will be the first time I’ve tried riding with one. #bikenite

@ascentale @bobjonkman @bikenite A7. #BikeNite @bikenite With the youth MTB team we've made all sorts of adjustments to practices due to nearby wildfires. We've had to cancel sometimes, but other times we'll ride in a different direction to avoid the smoke, like we'll avoid going down into this canyon area where the smoke settles overnight. We're fortunate to have enough air quality sensors nearby. During high fire danger windy days we'll also avoid going into more remote areas or areas where it would be too easy to get trapped.

Regular rides during our dry season kicks up a lot of dust, especially when riding in groups. I definitely feel that in my lungs afterward. Kind of makes you wonder how bad it is for you. I've worn a neck gaiter over my face during a race because I knew that the start would be dusty.