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Nick Stevens GraphicsSo, lets see if I got this right.
Saturn V, 13 launches, 100% success rate.
SpaceX Starship, 9 launches, 0% success rate.
Seems to me that Nazi rocket engineers are not what they used to be...
Aral Balkan@Nick_Stevens_graphics Slight correction: Elon Musk is just a fascist, not an engineer. He couldn’t build a rocket himself if Ikea were selling them.
The Queen of Weltschmerz🏳️⚧️@aral @Nick_Stevens_graphics Instructions for assembling your IKEA Skiyböom: Don’t. Just don’t.
@rebelrebel62 @Nick_Stevens_graphics > Skiyböom
Perfection.
Well, if the modern Nazi engineers are not even engineers, I think that makes the point stronger!
Oliver Schafeld
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Kévin ⏚@Nick_Stevens_graphics remember these are the great thinkers an do-ers that have the justification to mould society in to what they want for reasons we’re yet to truly develop the artificial intelligence to begin to understand
@Nick_Stevens_graphics I’m joking it’s because they’re clowns with money high on their own farts
Le_M_Poireau ⏚@Nick_Stevens_graphics le programme spatial de la Nasa était dirigé par un ingénieur nazi…
fassil maispasque@Nick_Stevens_graphics
He's not quite ready to get his ass cooked on Mars yet, too bad.
He's not quite ready to get his ass cooked on Mars yet, too bad.
Optimist
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Alexander Goeres 𒀯@Nick Stevens Graphics please d not overestimate him. the musk is no rocket engineer. he is just a poser. when he engages in the engineering of his rockets the launchpad blows up during the start ...
Drey@Nick_Stevens_graphics - His new space x rockets seem to blow up faster than they can brag about making them fly - Hmm.
KSP Atlas@Nick_Stevens_graphics not defending musk here, he's still an awful human being, but the Saturn V and Starship have very different development strategies, and the Starship one happens to use a lot more physical rockets
If you're gonna criticise SpaceX, use an actual criticism
If you're gonna criticise SpaceX, use an actual criticism
nini@kspatlas @Nick_Stevens_graphics Pretty sure his development strategy would be different if he weren’t burning public money.
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@kspatlas @Nick_Stevens_graphics Well, one of those strategies seems to have worked though. One of them.
Dmian 🇪🇺@Nick_Stevens_graphics Things seems to not go well for Dumber von Braun 😝
Ian K. Rogers ikr?╭ರ_ಠ@Nick_Stevens_graphics he's not an engineer haha
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JWM (Joe No Se)
Billionaire Star Trek - SNL
Toni Aittoniemi@Nick_Stevens_graphics Musk an engineer??
What a freaking joke! 😃
Ben Brockert
Resolviendo la incógnita 🌐@Nick_Stevens_graphics We should compare it with the V2.
@RLIBlog
"He aimed for the stars and hit London"
"He aimed for the stars and hit London"
Sir Osis of Liver 🇨🇦 🇲🇽@RLIBlog @Nick_Stevens_graphics
The V2 program was understaffed, underfunded and suffered from a lack of access to embargoed material. They did what they could with resources available. The work with the V2 following the war needed to iron out some of the compromised design decisions made during its initial design.
None of that applies to Starship.
And the US has been sending stuff into orbit since Explorer 1 in 1958. A lot of the issues have been sorted, at least until Elmo decided he could do it on the cheap and ignore the work done by previous experts.
@Sir_Osis_of_Liver @Nick_Stevens_graphics The joke failed its landing here too 😜 .
@RLIBlog @Nick_Stevens_graphics
I've been known to miss intent on a fairly regular basis. 🙂
@Nick_Stevens_graphics (to be fair, the main V booster did well, but none of them came home.
And as a stack, the Apollo Saturn --> V did well, but had breakages and 3 deaths.)
And as a stack, the Apollo Saturn --> V did well, but had breakages and 3 deaths.)
Cromley@midgephoto @Nick_Stevens_graphics The three Apollo deaths were not in a Saturn V
Psittacus cafeina@VoiceofDuum @midgephoto @Nick_Stevens_graphics
Nor was it a failure of the rocket, which was unfueled.
@VoiceofDuum @Nick_Stevens_graphics
Process, stack, project, programme. Hence: "-->V"
simonbp@VoiceofDuum @midgephoto @Nick_Stevens_graphics Yeah, it was on Saturn I, which had a perfect record.
The S-II second stage of Saturn V had two engine-out events, on Apollo 6 (the second uncrewed flight) and Apollo 13, both due to POGO oscillations. The S-II failure on Apollo 6 was bad enough that the S-IVB third stage was unable to restart and wasn't able to demonstrate TLI. So that's the closest they came to failure.
But the threat of a Soviet crewed lunar flyby was strong enough that they went ahead and put crew on Apollo 8 anyways. That was very sporting, and thankfully worked out.
@simonbp @VoiceofDuum @Nick_Stevens_graphics
I remember them.
From the time.
JWcph, Radicalized By Decency@Nick_Stevens_graphics Also, the Apollo program spent less time getting through all its successes to graceful retirement than Elon has spent failing - and that's without having access to all the experience, which they acquired for him to piggyback on AND STLL FAIL!...
nothingTV@Nick_Stevens_graphics I still appreciate a comment here on mastodon a few weeks back that said, the author is not against billionaires flying into space, it's that they keep coming back that bothers him. 😉
Robert Böttner ist umgezogen@Nick_Stevens_graphics @BlumeEvolution Buggy companies make buggy products.
Alexander Knochel@Nick_Stevens_graphics The trick is apparently to start out Nazi and then recant and become civilian rocket manager, not the other way around.
a fish named dog ✡️♾️@Nick_Stevens_graphics he hasn't got to practice with his concentration camps that according to some scholars made *auschwitz* look nice (i'm kinda skeptical of that betwhatever) in comparison.
yet.
Are you talking about von Braun or von Boom here?
@Nick_Stevens_graphics von Braun had the camps. so did arthur rudolph by the way and I should really save my rant about him so I don't need to redo it every time but suffice to say he was very very VERY nazi and should not have been even considered to be hired
David Fleetwood - RG Admin@Nick_Stevens_graphics This is something that has been bothering me a lot. People keep treating SpaceX like a success, but within 20 years of the US space program we'd landed on the moon. SpaceX is 20 years in and can't even reliably build a rocket that gets into orbit.
Bill, organizer of stuff@reflex @Nick_Stevens_graphics
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Pick two.
@wcbdata @Nick_Stevens_graphics It's especially strange because they like to go on about how the gov spent enormous resources, but the gov started from scratch. SpaceX has the benefit of fully modern launch facilities, infrastructure, 80+ years of engineering knowledge and a huge talent pool of engineers, none of which existed when the space race began.
Comparably Elon is doing this on easy mode and still failing spectacularly.
@Nick_Stevens_graphics @reflex Right? It seems crazy that we can get all the way to launch with something that fails so spectacularly and repeatedly and not have caught the problem in simulation or be able to resolve it on the platform. It's not like software where we have to deal with users. All the users are the engineers!
Roger Moore@reflex @Nick_Stevens_graphics
That isn't really true. The Falcon 9 has been so successful at launching Starlink satellites that people are seriously worried about LEO getting too crowded. It's only the ultra heavy Starship that's having problems.
That isn't really true. The Falcon 9 has been so successful at launching Starlink satellites that people are seriously worried about LEO getting too crowded. It's only the ultra heavy Starship that's having problems.
@VATVSLPR @Nick_Stevens_graphics You mean the one that's comparable to what NASA historically was launching? That's the one that's having problems?
@reflex @Nick_Stevens_graphics
No. The one that's comparable to existing launch systems- except that it's reusable- has been working great. Maybe too well in the sense that they're sending up so many satellites that people are seriously talking about Kessler Syndrome. It's only their new system that's designed to be bigger than Saturn V that's having problems.
No. The one that's comparable to existing launch systems- except that it's reusable- has been working great. Maybe too well in the sense that they're sending up so many satellites that people are seriously talking about Kessler Syndrome. It's only their new system that's designed to be bigger than Saturn V that's having problems.
@VATVSLPR @Nick_Stevens_graphics I just looked it up and Saturn V had 12 successful launches, 1 partial but non critical failure, and started operation in 1967. So I guess it's safe to say that despite all the advantages of starting a program today, Musk has yet to catch up with what NASA was capable of in 1967.
Not much of a flex, honestly. Looks a lot like the Soviet N1 based on track record.
@Nick_Stevens_graphics @VATVSLPR Yeah, Saturn V was more expensive as a program but it demonstrates that you get what you pay for compared to the current launch everything and see what does not blow up model.
@reflex @Nick_Stevens_graphics
I agree that SpaceX needs to do more debugging on the ground rather than just hoping everything works right with the next launch. I think they were a lot more methodical with the Falcon series, which makes me think they're under pressure from above to perform now! Now! Now! That said, the success of the Falcon series should serve as an indication of how well SpaceX can perform when they're working at top efficiency.
I agree that SpaceX needs to do more debugging on the ground rather than just hoping everything works right with the next launch. I think they were a lot more methodical with the Falcon series, which makes me think they're under pressure from above to perform now! Now! Now! That said, the success of the Falcon series should serve as an indication of how well SpaceX can perform when they're working at top efficiency.
@VATVSLPR @Nick_Stevens_graphics Honestly to me it looks more like the Falcon is a significantly lower challenge, and that the talent needed scales higher than linearly with the size/complexity of the rocket.
Musk and many people in tech pull off the low hanging fruit and then assert that the difficult parts will inevitably solved because they got the low hanging fruit done easily.
@reflex @Nick_Stevens_graphics
It's probably true that Starship is more challenging than Falcon was, but SpaceX is going about it worse, too. They were very methodical about Falcon, doing all the kinds of intermediate tests you'd expect good engineers to do. I suspect there's management pressure to get Starship functioning ahead of SLS for political and business reasons, and that's forcing the engineers to be more reckless than they might prefer to be.
It's probably true that Starship is more challenging than Falcon was, but SpaceX is going about it worse, too. They were very methodical about Falcon, doing all the kinds of intermediate tests you'd expect good engineers to do. I suspect there's management pressure to get Starship functioning ahead of SLS for political and business reasons, and that's forcing the engineers to be more reckless than they might prefer to be.
@reflex @Nick_Stevens_graphics
Not that Saturn V was immune to political pressure! The whole Apollo Program was a gigantic political exercise, and there was a lot of pressure to make it work on schedule. I think the main thing that protected it was that a catastrophic failure in full view was seen as a greater risk than letting the schedule slip.
Not that Saturn V was immune to political pressure! The whole Apollo Program was a gigantic political exercise, and there was a lot of pressure to make it work on schedule. I think the main thing that protected it was that a catastrophic failure in full view was seen as a greater risk than letting the schedule slip.
@VATVSLPR @Nick_Stevens_graphics My general feeling about SpaceX is that the more involved Elon is the worse things get. Falcon was developed when he was mostly focused on Tesla. Now he's bored with Tesla and is busy blowing shit up at SpaceX.