Saiga
Randahl FinkIf a Muslim country had killed 54,000 Jews or Christian’s in a neighboring country and attempted to kill more with famine, I promise you, EU politicians would not just express disappointment.
They would act.
Kristen
bossito 🇪🇺@kristen_d @randahl oh really? Im sure you never even heard of #NagornoKarabakh Christian for centuries, cleansed by a Muslim army and no one cares. #azerbaijan even participates in #Eurovision without any polemic or threats of a boycott
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_Nagorno-Karabakh_Armenians
Magnus Ahltorp@bossito @kristen_d @randahl It’s news to me that German scientists could lose their funding if their criticised Azerbaijan. Or maybe you are comparing relationships that aren’t comparable.
@ahltorp @kristen_d @randahl it would be news to me it any German scientist has critized Azerbaijan. And Azerbaijan does have long arms of pressure. The only country that critized Azerbaijan was France and since then Azerbaijan is sponsoring independentist movements and riots in France.. like we saw in New Caledonia. Azerbaijan is also a member of Eurovision and no one bats an eye.
@ahltorp @kristen_d @randahl Azeri gas, as alternative to Russian gas, it's one of the ways Azerbaijan assures general silence in Germany over its genocide.
There are multiple genocides happening around the world right now, only one or two get news coverage. Follow the money...
GM7077@bossito @kristen_d @randahl You're right. Azerbaijan is a major EU and Israeli ally and commercial partner. It's never an issue when their own side does it.
@GM7077 @kristen_d @randahl being that the side is established on commercial grounds, not religious. For centuries that European countries don't have religious criteria on their foreign policy. Several times they sided with non Christian countries against christian ones.. it's very different from the Muslim countries, where indeed there is a tendency to side together against non Muslims.
Mark 🇨🇦💪@randahl https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide spoiler: the Europeans did dick all
odeathoflife@randahl just like they should of have reacted to Russia and the Ukraine? Wake up.
Cat West@odeathoflife @randahl he IS awake. Someone talking about one thing doesn’t mean they’ve ignored every other thing.
anonymaus
contrasocialNot that a religion should matter, but it's entirely overlooked by the media and by evangelical zionists that there are a lot of Palestinian christians in occupied Palestine.
It goes to show that zionism is a political movement that has absolutely nothing to do with religious convictions or "spiritual ties".
Joe Vinegar@contrasocial @randahl not an historian, but I believe that every fascism is driven by a murderous desire for homogeneity, which includes religion practice (when religion leaders are embedded in the state and not a competing power). Minorities that due to numbers are not a political or cultural threat can be temporarily tolerated until fascism is in power. In general a religion is tolerant by definition when it's a minority, while it is used as a criterion for diversity, discrimination, and ultimately genocide, when it becomes the norm in a fascist-turning state.
bufalo1973@contrasocial @randahl "those are martyrs" 🤷♂️
Bruce Heerssen@randahl
The west would turn several cities into rubble for that.
The west would turn several cities into rubble for that.
Androcat
Mogleg@randahl If anyone had killed even half that number of cats or dogs there would be global outrage. Arabs… not so much.
Europeans have decided that some people are just lesser. Usually people of a brown persuasion.
@Mogleg @randahl no one cared for these White Christians expelled by Muslims from their land : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_Nagorno-Karabakh_Armenians
@Mogleg @randahl you're pointing out your conviction without providing much evidence. I just did that. Armenians, for years Ukrainians (before 2022), never got a fraction of the media attention Palestinians have on European media and politics. Other conflicts have even less, but it's mostly geography at play.
@bossito
According to the west: Russia invading bad, Ukraine resistance good. Zionist entity invading good, Palestinian resistance bad.
Ignore “volume” of reporting for a moment and consider quality. The Zionists can talk about feeling unsafe while committing genocide with the support of the west. The Palestinians have to condemn Hamas and are not trustworthy “Hamas controlled XYZ” etc.
Would you agree that there is a double standard?
@Mogleg @randahl not surprising if you consider the political color of current european governments, the european economic and military relationships with USA (and Israel) and the anomalous position of Germany --- a key player in UE --- with Israel and genocides. Still, continuous protests pro-palestine are happening, mostly silenced on media, and violently managed by police.
@randahl Azerbaijan committed genocide in less than 48h in #NagornoKarabakh, a region multiple times bigger than Gaza. The Christian Armenian population there since centuries was either murdered, arrested or expelled by the Muslim Azeri army all in less than 48h. Absolutely no one cared, so much that you don't even know about it. This was in 19 September 2023. I don't even need to dig Yugoslavia examples that would also prove your post wrong.
@randahl not to mention the expulsion of thousands of Jews from Arab countries in the 50s and 60s, another genocide that no one seems to care. There were big Jewish community in Iraq, Syria, Marocco etc they're all gone. And also forgotten.
So yeah, the political alignment you see within Muslim countries when they have an issue with a non-Muslim does not exist in the Western-Christian world.
@bossito @randahl I think we can agree it's not a matter of religions per se, but of nation-states politics: state diplomacy is dictated by national economic and military concerns first, strongly influenced by the governing party/dictator narrative, ties, and interests. The governed population has varying capability of being informed, is not homogeneous in culture, values, political identification, and acting capabilities. Referring to christians, muslims, jews, europeans, is really nonsense, as we bunch together a wildly diverse set of people and conditions, and interests and values. Zionists* (to me christian USAns can be zionist) instead express a political project, so in their inner diversity they are still identified by a goal, which I can despise specifically without fear of generalizing or discriminating. *violent ones
@joe_vinegar @randahl and what's that goal? The existence of Israel? That goal is achieved, established and putting it into question only fuels the violence were seeing now.
Joe Alexander@joe_vinegar You wrote all that to say it's only bad when "Zionists" do it. You said Christians, Jews and Muslims don't have political goals and are one group. Just be critical of Israel, don't throw out all reason to do it. You entirely dismissed things like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, a religious state (you said it has no goals, they funded 9/11...).
The fact that you go to such great lengths to let everyone else off the hook for being brutal seems like you don't so much love them, but hate just one group - no matter what. I hate whataboutism but you've done the reverse, you've said Israel is brutal and all other forms of state violence aren't even really a thing! Just look away!
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Samson - tief In Berlin@randahl
Eid al-Adha (Feast of Sacrifice) from June 5 to 9
Of course, especially if it is systemically relevant. Taiwan
Compliance matters!
Mr Alex Fortis@randahl I think you're wrong. There were a lot of religious cleaning done by muslim leaders(armenian genocide is one of the most researched topic and that is just a tip of an iceberg). Moreover the muslim world turned completely blind facing uyghur genocide that is currently going till now.
It shows that religious affiliations don't have much of a role in politics.
It shows that religious affiliations don't have much of a role in politics.
benny
Clutha🏴🇸🇩🇺🇦@randahl
Has the UN permanently refused to use Peacekeepers since the Balkan fiasco?
Has the UN permanently refused to use Peacekeepers since the Balkan fiasco?