Ben Chase
Natasha JayIf you ever think you're not great at tech, web design or use cases you're almost certainly still better than the person who built this
Emily π³οΈββ§οΈ (Injection Arc)Oh goodness.
ADHDean@Natasha_Jay This post is zombieist, Natasha
@adhdeanasl
I need a zombie emoji now!
I need a zombie emoji now!
3 Player Politics
Retired Librarian π@Natasha_Jay Bahahahaha!!
Blanche Page
ekari@Natasha_Jay Now I got curious what their online birth certificate request form looks like...
Joe Cooper πΊπ¦ π@ekari @Natasha_Jay requesting a birth certificate for yourself is normal. I lost mine soon after I moved out of my parents house, because I lose everything. Needed to get a new one when I got a passport. (Pro tip: Don't lose your birth certificate. Getting a new one sucks, takes a long time, and involves a lot of nonsense.)
@ekari @Natasha_Jay and, there definitely was not an online form for it, when I got mine.
Hippo π@swelljoe @ekari @Natasha_Jay so maybe that's the one where they'll decide to leave out the "Myself" option? π¬
M_oonmood@Natasha_Jay
What the fuck.
What the fuck.
Thee Mighty Peculia@Natasha_Jay Itβs me. Iβm only mostly dead.
anthra
Blippy the Wonder Slug π©πͺ@Natasha_Jay
TBF, I've been dead for just over two decades.now...
TBF, I've been dead for just over two decades.now...
Rebecca Wallace@Natasha_Jay crying π
Mary Austin VOTED 4 HARRIS!@Natasha_Jay
This was real, in case anyone's wondering.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/request-death-certificate-for-myself/
Dan Sugalski@Natasha_Jay Some extremely poorly paid dude at an Indian outsourcing company got handed a stack of pages with very explicit instructions for each 'screen', looked at them, shrugged, and did this because it was written down and he wasn't paid enough to give a damn.
binarymelon@wordshaper @Natasha_Jay this or when asking for requirements they were told just like the birth certificate form, asked, "Are you sure?" and just got a "yep" in response.
Tim Ward βπͺπΊπΆ #FBPE@Natasha_Jay Which person did you mean? The person who built the data structure that generated that page was presumably seriously pissed off with the person who built the framework (also used for every other form in the organisation) which had an option to grey out that button but not remove it.
Downwrighter
marcink@Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet Is this after authentication? I wonder if there is a legitimate use case behind this, like some people leaving credentials with someone in the family just to make things easier.
berry@marcink @Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet I forwarded this and immediately got reply guyed with "actually sometimes people are declared dead by accident and need the certificate for the lawsuit".
To which I said "okay, then this is still shitty UI because it's putting this 0.00000001% use case front and centre, they should have a different avenue for that".
@mwyalchen @Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet
I did not mean to step on anyoneβs toes. Itβs just that sometimes these ridiculous things have a history behind them like rare use cases discovered long after delivery, those are the interesting ones.
> they should have a different avenue
Yes, for sure. It gets complex though if it was never mentioned by the client or seen during build but when someone does run into it itβs urgent, and someone would need to pay for a better ui that sounds rarely needed.
@marcink @Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet Oh, you didn't upset me. It just seems like such a trainwreck of a question to be faced with when the most likely scenario is that the person involved is bereaved, you know?
@mwyalchen @Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet
Absolutely. And this here may as well have been just someoneβs bad or lazy choice.
But I have seen things where the people responsible for weird results like this one were a couple of groups each trying its best under its own constraints (time, budget, ownership) so in the end itβs the system around them that forces things. Digitization of public services is a messy field.
Absolutely. And this here may as well have been just someoneβs bad or lazy choice.
But I have seen things where the people responsible for weird results like this one were a couple of groups each trying its best under its own constraints (time, budget, ownership) so in the end itβs the system around them that forces things. Digitization of public services is a messy field.
Philippa Cowderoy@Natasha_Jay Given this form, do you really want to assume death certificates are never issued erroneously?...
@flippac
Interest point tbh π€
Interest point tbh π€
Jes@Natasha_Jay @flippac it would suck to try to prove you are alive when there is an offical death certificate
@Jesticulated @Natasha_Jay In any jurisdiction that acknowledges that mistakes do happen, you're "just" trying to prove you're the person named on the certificate: if it's not been too long and you've got photo ID etc you're in with a chance
But yeah, this is actually a thing that happens - one cause is when you're considered missing for long enough (so your will can be carried out)
David Bruchmann@flippac @Jesticulated @Natasha_Jay
Happens accidentally too, people with that experience have a hard time to get all their documents back and activated again.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/28/missouri-woman-mistakenly-declared-dead
Chaucerburnt
Matthew Turland@Natasha_Jay "The rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated..."π
Emma Loves βοΈ@Natasha_Jay it's The South, their use cases almost always involve hauntings and generational trauma.
Sabrina Web 
π@Natasha_Jay at least "myself" is greyed out
Χ Χ§ΧΧΧ ΧΧ€Χ‘ΧΧ§; Semicolon@sabrinaweb71
Wanted to point that out aswell.
Maybe it's a general template they use for all kinds of forms, and it just stuck with this one too.
@Natasha_Jay
Wanted to point that out aswell.
Maybe it's a general template they use for all kinds of forms, and it just stuck with this one too.
@Natasha_Jay
Cure Maple@sabrinaweb71 @Natasha_Jay yeah, it was confimed that the button was disabled.
coolgreymatter@Natasha_Jay
Proof that Heaven has excellent WiFi.
Proof that Heaven has excellent WiFi.
Would that also prove Heaven itself? π€
Too bad that I don't believe in WiFi π
Gabbo the wafrn guyI can imagine all the regulations that were required for this to exist
Please provide three factor authentication to the proof that you're dead!
antimagic heart-sickness@gabboman @Natasha_Jay i'm imagining some place where they mistakenly issue death certificates that need to be corrected and revoked on a regular basis, while at the same time requiring an original certificate to be provided by the person claiming the mistake to prove its own existence
@gabboman @Natasha_Jay (just to be clear, this is not a very serious imagining)
these kind of bureocracy pages will have a list of requirements, and one of them must be "EVERY PROCESS REQUIRES A SCREEN SAYING FOR ME OR FOR SOMEONE ELSE". and its law. so it has to be. even in these cases
#also-this-is-made-so-if-you-get-reanimated-by-a-necromancer-you-can-ask-for-your-own-death-certificate
Matt Blaze@Natasha_Jay Nice to see them being inclusive of the undead, TBH.
Steve's Place@mattblaze @Natasha_Jay It might be useful for those times when one's government decides to let interns loose on government data.
"I deaded a buncha peepl."
"Good doggo! Have a bitcoin!"
Adi πΎ (he/him)@Natasha_Jay wonder what's the click through rate on those buttons π
Robert "Anaerin" Johnston@Natasha_Jay You've heard of "Death of the Author", now get ready for "Death of the Applicant"
Meadow@Natasha_Jay
I would not be shocked if the person who made this pointed out the issue but middle management ignored it because that would eat into the budget ever so slightly by taking the time to do it right after being told to do it wrong.
I've worked for numerous poorly run companies.
David Nash@Natasha_Jay "Would you like to have your name put on the death certificate?"
[ ] Yes
[ ] Maybe Later
Renne Rocha@Natasha_Jay you never know what kind of documents St. Peter is asking for people so you can join heaven now :-)
SpaceLifeFormIt may not be a dumb as it appears.
2 cases come to mind.
Someone faked their death. They can check if it worked.
Someone else with the same name actually did die, but creditors or heirs are coming after the wrong person.
I will make sure to check out this website after I am dead.
Ryan Peters
Raven Luni@Natasha_Jay If you say yourself the next question should be are you wearing a red shirt :p
BΓΌΓΌgman@Natasha_Jay This is probably for people mistakenly marked deceased.
Louis@Natasha_Jay yeah too much Walking Dead I guess π§π§ββοΈπ§ββοΈ
@louischance
I was searching the many custom emojies but they're OOTB
I was searching the many custom emojies but they're OOTB
@Natasha_Jay yeah I directly found it in my keyboard emojis list, among other monsters and such
Tulip
D. G. MarshallTHE UNDEAD JUST WANT TO LIVE!
Ted Gould@Natasha_Jay how else to do you ensure your website isn't used by zombies?