Natasha 
πͺπΊIf you ever think you're not great at tech, web design or use cases you're almost certainly still better than the person who built this
Emily π³οΈββ§οΈ (Sad Music Era)Oh goodness.
ADHDeanASL@Natasha_Jay This post is zombieist, Natasha
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ekari@Natasha_Jay Now I got curious what their online birth certificate request form looks like...
Joe Cooper πΊπ¦ π@ekari @Natasha_Jay requesting a birth certificate for yourself is normal. I lost mine soon after I moved out of my parents house, because I lose everything. Needed to get a new one when I got a passport. (Pro tip: Don't lose your birth certificate. Getting a new one sucks, takes a long time, and involves a lot of nonsense.)
@ekari @Natasha_Jay and, there definitely was not an online form for it, when I got mine.
Hippo π@swelljoe @ekari @Natasha_Jay so maybe that's the one where they'll decide to leave out the "Myself" option? π¬
Blippy the Wonder Slug π©πͺ@Natasha_Jay
TBF, I've been dead for just over two decades now...
TBF, I've been dead for just over two decades now...
Mark Whybird@BlippyTheWonderSlug @Natasha_Jay I personally have been dead on the inside for quite some time.
Rebecca Wallace@Natasha_Jay crying π
Dan Sugalski@Natasha_Jay Some extremely poorly paid dude at an Indian outsourcing company got handed a stack of pages with very explicit instructions for each 'screen', looked at them, shrugged, and did this because it was written down and he wasn't paid enough to give a damn.
binarymelon@wordshaper @Natasha_Jay this or when asking for requirements they were told just like the birth certificate form, asked, "Are you sure?" and just got a "yep" in response.
Tim Ward βπͺπΊπΆ #FBPE@Natasha_Jay Which person did you mean? The person who built the data structure that generated that page was presumably seriously pissed off with the person who built the framework (also used for every other form in the organisation) which had an option to grey out that button but not remove it.
Downwrighter
marcink@Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet Is this after authentication? I wonder if there is a legitimate use case behind this, like some people leaving credentials with someone in the family just to make things easier.
berry@marcink @Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet I forwarded this and immediately got reply guyed with "actually sometimes people are declared dead by accident and need the certificate for the lawsuit".
To which I said "okay, then this is still shitty UI because it's putting this 0.00000001% use case front and centre, they should have a different avenue for that".
@mwyalchen @Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet
I did not mean to step on anyoneβs toes. Itβs just that sometimes these ridiculous things have a history behind them like rare use cases discovered long after delivery, those are the interesting ones.
> they should have a different avenue
Yes, for sure. It gets complex though if it was never mentioned by the client or seen during build but when someone does run into it itβs urgent, and someone would need to pay for a better ui that sounds rarely needed.
@marcink @Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet Oh, you didn't upset me. It just seems like such a trainwreck of a question to be faced with when the most likely scenario is that the person involved is bereaved, you know?
@mwyalchen @Natasha_Jay @girlonthenet
Absolutely. And this here may as well have been just someoneβs bad or lazy choice.
But I have seen things where the people responsible for weird results like this one were a couple of groups each trying its best under its own constraints (time, budget, ownership) so in the end itβs the system around them that forces things. Digitization of public services is a messy field.
Absolutely. And this here may as well have been just someoneβs bad or lazy choice.
But I have seen things where the people responsible for weird results like this one were a couple of groups each trying its best under its own constraints (time, budget, ownership) so in the end itβs the system around them that forces things. Digitization of public services is a messy field.
Philippa Cowderoy@Natasha_Jay Given this form, do you really want to assume death certificates are never issued erroneously?...
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Matthew Turland@Natasha_Jay "The rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated..."π
Sabrina Web 
π@Natasha_Jay at least "myself" is greyed out
Χ Χ§ΧΧΧ ΧΧ€Χ‘ΧΧ§; Semicolon@sabrinaweb71
Wanted to point that out aswell.
Maybe it's a general template they use for all kinds of forms, and it just stuck with this one too.
@Natasha_Jay
Wanted to point that out aswell.
Maybe it's a general template they use for all kinds of forms, and it just stuck with this one too.
@Natasha_Jay
Maple@sabrinaweb71 @Natasha_Jay yeah, it was confimed that the button was disabled.
Cool Grey Matter@Natasha_Jay
Proof that Heaven has excellent WiFi.
Proof that Heaven has excellent WiFi.
David BruchmannWould that also prove Heaven itself? π€
Too bad that I don't believe in WiFi π
Gabbo the wafrn dev guyI can imagine all the regulations that were required for this to exist
Please provide three factor authentication to the proof that you're dead!
apophis@gabboman @Natasha_Jay i'm imagining some place where they mistakenly issue death certificates that need to be corrected and revoked on a regular basis, while at the same time requiring an original certificate to be provided by the person claiming the mistake to prove its own existence
@gabboman @Natasha_Jay (just to be clear, this is not a very serious imagining)
these kind of bureocracy pages will have a list of requirements, and one of them must be "EVERY PROCESS REQUIRES A SCREEN SAYING FOR ME OR FOR SOMEONE ELSE". and its law. so it has to be. even in these cases
#also-this-is-made-so-if-you-get-reanimated-by-a-necromancer-you-can-ask-for-your-own-death-certificate
Matt Blaze@Natasha_Jay Nice to see them being inclusive of the undead, TBH.
Steve's Place@mattblaze @Natasha_Jay It might be useful for those times when one's government decides to let interns loose on government data.
"I deaded a buncha peepl."
"Good doggo! Have a bitcoin!"
Adi πΎ (he/him)@Natasha_Jay wonder what's the click through rate on those buttons π
Robert "Anaerin" Johnston@Natasha_Jay You've heard of "Death of the Author", now get ready for "Death of the Applicant"
David Nash@Natasha_Jay "Would you like to have your name put on the death certificate?"
[ ] Yes
[ ] Maybe Later
Renne Rocha@Natasha_Jay you never know what kind of documents St. Peter is asking for people so you can join heaven now :-)
It may not be a dumb as it appears.
2 cases come to mind.
Someone faked their death. They can check if it worked.
Someone else with the same name actually did die, but creditors or heirs are coming after the wrong person.
I will make sure to check out this website after I am dead.
Ryan Peters
Raven Luni@Natasha_Jay If you say yourself the next question should be are you wearing a red shirt :p
Louis [OLD ACCOUNT]@Natasha_Jay yeah too much Walking Dead I guess π§π§ββοΈπ§ββοΈ
Tulip
D. G. MarshallTHE UNDEAD JUST WANT TO LIVE!
Mux2000 (exfoliating)
Mudlark 
@Natasha_Jay I can see the use case for this, but itβs unfortunately a bit grim 
The βmyselfβ button could link out to some sort of FAQ page on why you cannot apply for your own death certificate, additionally the page could also contain numbers and resources for mental health crises
The βmyselfβ button could link out to some sort of FAQ page on why you cannot apply for your own death certificate, additionally the page could also contain numbers and resources for mental health crises
Must be the largest section of the whole website.
hallunke23 πΊπ¦
Why is βMyselfβ greyed out?
I think there might be use cases where people who were declared dead in error need their own death certificate - either to have the error cleared up or because they need documentation of this error.
So no, greying this button out may be wrong.
Brambleminster Gollyhatch@Natasha_Jay Do you get a discount if you pre-order? π€¨
Yes, of course! If you die three times.
Rabbit Cohen@Natasha_Jay I've read about cases of death certificates being issued in error or in absentia when the person was alive, so this doesn't seem weird to me.
@Natasha_Jay The "myself" button looks grayed out to me compared to the other one. If that's a disabled form element I'd say that's a pretty good joke from the dev.
Zuri (he/him) βοΈπ | π CET@Natasha_Jay "Due to DOGE, we are currently *heavily* (not 'heavenly', mind you βπ») understaffed, which is why issuing death certificates can take a *very long while*, so in order to get in line early and have it ready for your bereaved, we advise you to pre-order your death certificate as part of your estate planning process. Also: Currently 10 % off.
@Natasha_Jay Finally, a legal way to go into hiding without being part of a witness protection program ππ»
eviloatmeal, resident Death Stranding 2 apologist (arch, btw)@Natasha_Jay "Myself" looks grayed-out. Which is very funny for some reason.
Urzl@Natasha_Jay They know it takes a while to respond to these requests. Sure, you're alive *today* but by the time they process the request, who knows!
i_give_u_worms@Natasha_Jay I dunno if it catches one person faking their death a year, sounds interesting
DianeSadly showing up to report "I'm not dead, this certificate is wrong" is a common problem.
For a particularly cruel of example of it happening.
But I bet even before Trump & DOGE being scummy bureaucratic mistakes were regularly happening.
Social Security lists 6,000 who immigrated legally as dead to prompt them to leave, AP sources say
Two people familiar with the situation told The Associated Press that more than 6,000 immigrants' Social Security numbers are being canceled, which will effectively wipe out their ability to work or receive benefits, in an effort to get them to leave the country.