BTW, most people think they don't need to understand whether or Bluesky is decentralized, a claim they make.

Here's why you should care.

If Bluesky gets a govt order to shut down your account, they can.

That's it. That's how you know it's centralized and why you should care.

@davew and if your Mastodon instance gets shut down by a government order?
How easy is it to migrate your data to a new instance, reclaim your identity and get your followers back?
How many % of Mastodon users even backup their posts and follower lists?

@simonparzer @davew With Mastodon, it's actually possible to migrate. You can set up camp at a new server. With Bluesky, it's not possible. That's a huge difference.

As Bluesky is owned by Blockchain Capital, it is also subject to the risk of being purchased by Musk any time the shareholders want some return on their investment.

Bluesky also isn't properly open source, and the protocol isn't an open standard. It's got a veneer of openness to it, but it can be stripped away in an instant if someone with enough power wants to.

Mastodon shares none of these problems.

https://icosahedron.website/@bitbear/110918449977218018

Asbjørn Ulsberg (@bitbear@icosahedron.website)

@RonJeffries@mastodon.social I think it's worth trying to avoid Bluesky until it has proven that it is, as claimed: 1. A true open standard. 2. Truly open source. 3. Truly federated and decentralised. 4. Unfettered by Jack Dorsey's influence. Point 1 is only proven once the AT Protocol is published under a standardisation organisation. A Markdown file on GitHub just doesn't cut it and is in no competition with ActivityPub (published as a W3C Recommendation). Point 2 can only be proven once one or more organisations unrelated to Bluesky PBLLC submits a pull request touching on the core of Bluesky or AT Protocol and it is merged. Point 3 can only be proven once one or more organisations unrelated to Bluesky PBLLC fires up their own, self-hosted instance of Bluesky and is permanently federated with it. Point 4 can never truly be proven. #Bluesky #Fediverse #SocialMedia #OpenSource #OpenStandards #FOSS @braz@mastodon.social

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@bitbear @simonparzer @davew I had one of my older accounts banned, and from experience I'd say it's not that hard, and I'm still here on the fediverse.
@sotolf @bitbear @davew How did you migrate, did you keep your post history and followers?
A lot of people "migrated" from X to Mastodon or from X to Bluesky by just creating a new account with the same name and telling everyone to follow them there instead. That's always possible regardless of technology.
@simonparzer @sotolf @davew Currently, the posts belong to the instance and can’t be easily migrated. But follower lists migrate quite seamlessly.
@simonparzer @bitbear @davew I had a list of my follows that I imported on my new account, it was a bit problematic since it was hostile, so I couldn't really migrate the normal way. I've done a normal migration too, from a friendly server, and that was smooth. Since people know me, it wasn't bad.

@sotolf @simonparzer @bitbear

In rss land you can always download your subscription list in opml and every feed reader and podcatcher can import them. Mastodon could copy this. And then Bluesky could doit too. A few days of programming. If they wanted users to be able to move easily, it’s really easy.

@davew @simonparzer @bitbear if bluesky went down you're screwed, on fedi you just moke to another instance.
Taggart (@mttaggart@infosec.exchange)

Bluesky going down the verifications rabbit hole in a hilariously hamfisted way. Actually, that's a bit too kind. They're doing it in a way that will makes brands and corpos happy, but fundamentally compromises their stated mission of decentralization. By centralizing verification power, you end up with the same godawful power dynamic of old Twitter. https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3lndjyjdtq22a

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@bitbear @simonparzer @davew > As Bluesky is owned by Blockchain Capital, it is also subject to the risk of being purchased by Musk any time the shareholders want some return on their investment.

I'm pretty sure it's not even close to being majority-owned by Blockchain Capital, so they can't sell it to Musk

@mackuba @bitbear @simonparzer

that's correct and btw -- maybe musk already owns it. and when they invested they did not say how much stock they bought so don't make any assumptions.

@davew @mackuba @simonparzer Exactly. The point here is the principle of centralized, VC based ownership, not the particular details.
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@davew I have been saying all along that the whole “decentralization” of BlueSky is really a ruse to foist off the responsibility for moderation onto instance admins there, while not really providing any of the power or benefits of real decentralization.

@MisuseCase

They want credit for something they haven’t done. One of the most cynical hype jobs I’ve seen in tech. If there was any actual journalism in tech they’d never get away with it, esp after all the damage twitter is doing.

@MisuseCase @davew “the purpose of a system is what it does”