Dan GoodinICE officers in paramilitary gear inquiring about the citizenship status of passengers on a Amtrak Empire Builder train. As someone who rides Amtrak a lot, what should I say and do if I'm ever stopped like this?
noplasticshower@dangoodin their jurisdiction for questioning is 200 miles from the border, right?
Bill
Know Your Rights | 100 Mile Border Zone | ACLU
The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects people from random and arbitrary stops and searches. Although the federal government claims the power to conduct certain kinds of warrantless stops within 100 miles of the U.S. border, important Fourth Amendment protections still apply.
Ambiorickx@ambiorickx @noplasticshower @dangoodin
Does ICE have any limits?
@w_b @dangoodin thank you
Jonathan HendryThere's a lot more border and in more places than you might think.
jonathankoren™@jonhendry @dangoodin not than I might think.
NosirrahSec 🏴☠️ guillotine enthusiast@dangoodin Get clear and uninhibited views of their faces and put it out to the public. (for educational purposes only. 
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)@dangoodin This is not real advice. It is also something I would do.
Mike Ely@dangoodin (assuming you're a US citizen) be polite, and try to waste as much of their time as you possibly can. Go onto tangents, act as though you don't understand their questions, answer their questions with questions, ask them about their jobs, where did they get those shoes, etc. If you've ever heard of "It's Lenny," do that. If you haven't heard of It's Lenny, go to YouTube and watch a couple examples. Then once you're done laughing, do what he does.
tl;dr: keep them busy doing nothing
Gary McGraw@me @dangoodin love it
Quinn Norton@me @dangoodin can I second this? Being incredibly slow, boring and bad at English, get them off on tangents, start describing scenes from movies.
aardvark
𝓛𝔁𝓼 / 𝔸𝕝𝕖𝕩𝕚𝕤 🏵🇪🇺💫@quinn @me @dangoodin in terms of films to relay in conversation : «Snow Piercer» could be suitable… (albeit a streaming series, rather than a film)
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SiestⒶcortaIt's based on a film.
That is based on a comic book.
Ice, everywhere.😏
Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)This sounds so much more useful/helpful than my first reaction which world be to say: “Eat shit and die you Nazi fucks, of course I’m a citizen!”
I’ve got a better idea. Do a grammelot version of Dennis’s (Michael Palin) dialog from the Constitutional Peasants skit in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
ARTHUR (Graham Chapman): Old woman!
DENNIS (Michael Palin): Man!
ARTHUR: Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
DENNIS: I’m thirty-seven.
ARTHUR: What?
DENNIS: I’m thirty-seven. I’m not old!
ARTHUR: Well, I can’t just call you ‘man.’
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammelot
Read the full skit here: https://realityraiders.com/fringewalker/irreverent-humor/monty-python-holy-grail-constitutional-peasants/
Near the end of the skit:
DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin’ I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! — HELP! HELP! I’m being repressed!
arclight@me @dangoodin I recommend "Killer Inside Me" by MC 900 Ft Jesus as an instructional soundtrack for this endeavor.
@arclight @dangoodin man it's been a while since I've played it, but I used to listen to the shit out of that song.
Floaty Birb@dangoodin either say, "yes, of course" or "I'm not talking to you without a lawyer" or "oh look a pig riding a train." depending on brave you feel.
Jerry 🦙💝🦙@dangoodin based on what happened in Florida, unless you got a few days to spare, definitely don’t say that you’re here illegally 😞
Angela G@dangoodin
Anytime any US citizen white person sees ICE, every US Citizen white person needs to find their inner Karen with a side dish of mansplaining. Ask to see their warrants. Take time to search on the name of the person signing it. Lecture them on the difference between an administrative and judicial warrant and tell them about the YouTube video you saw on the subject. Read every line of the warrant. Criticize the grammar. Ask to see their supervisor. Slow them down. Most importantly, have a plan with friends and family that if one of you disappears, the others know to start hounding the media on your behalf.
Anytime any US citizen white person sees ICE, every US Citizen white person needs to find their inner Karen with a side dish of mansplaining. Ask to see their warrants. Take time to search on the name of the person signing it. Lecture them on the difference between an administrative and judicial warrant and tell them about the YouTube video you saw on the subject. Read every line of the warrant. Criticize the grammar. Ask to see their supervisor. Slow them down. Most importantly, have a plan with friends and family that if one of you disappears, the others know to start hounding the media on your behalf.
LukefromDC@grayladywriter @dangoodin If they try to disappear you it's time to get physical with everything you've fucking got. May be your last chance to stay out of a concentration camp so fight to the bitter end. Remember we now have a problem with fake ICE agents too.
Toot Ωncommon - SHUT 🇺🇸 DOWN@dangoodin You say: “I am a US citizen. You have no probable cause. I demand my attorney be present for any further questioning or during any search.” Then say nothing more to them with your right to remain silent. If you dont have an attorney, keep/look up the number of the free legal services provided by the state bar association in your state and call them if ICE-IS persists. Tell them your sitch. Then do exactly what they say over the phone.
@opethminded @dangoodin that's the best advice in a very concise, single, point.
vandorb12@opethminded @dangoodin recite quotes from Shrek and bee movie to interrupt the silence every once in a while.
AdamNot as good as some of the other suggestions, but you could start quoting Bible verses at them
M.S. Bellows, Jr.@dangoodin Follow them and inform everyone they talk to that they have the right to remain silent.
foundseed@msbellows @dangoodin this!! Let everyone at least in your car know that they are ICE. Everything you say to them, say LOUDLY. Especially if it is a statement of your rights and their limitations.
Stargeezer Smith@dangoodin
I used to drive a road to work daily that had a border patrol station on it. We all would be stopped everyday and usually asked if we were citizens. That was 15 years ago.
I used to drive a road to work daily that had a border patrol station on it. We all would be stopped everyday and usually asked if we were citizens. That was 15 years ago.
Bill Zaumen@dangoodin If your hearing is less than optimal and ICE bothers you, particularly if you are a U.S. citizen, tell them that your hearing isn't very good and demand that they provide all questions they want to ask in writing so that you don't misunderstand them.
AlgoCompSynth by znmeb 🇺🇦@dangoodin The Empire Builder? In Montana? I rode that train as a child from Pasco WA to Chicago and back! Havre MT is not a place I would have ever expected racial profiling by ICE!
@dangoodin Refuse to speak to them. "If you have questions I want a lawyer" then nothing else.
They are ENEMY SOLDIERS and NAZI SS. If possible rile up the entire train against them. They are routinely withdrawing when they face angry crowds.
"You guys were great in Schindler's List but I guess it wasn't a stretch.”
John E. Bartley, III (D) K7AAY
Dr Neenah Estrella-Luna
David Pollak@dangoodin ask your fellow passengers to take out their phones and start videoing
Then you ask them for their name and badge numbers
Then you ask them for a warrant
If they fail to produce a warrant and continue to ask for your papers, tell them you are invoking your right to an attorney and will say nothing more
David B Ⓥ 🥕@dangoodin
Having read this a few weeks ago I’d say as little as possible & try to be prepared for the worst case scenario - if I ever visit the US in the future. No intention right now. 😵💫
This was a British artist on a study trip detained for 19 days. 😳
‘I was a British tourist trying to leave the US. Then I was detained, shackled and sent to an immigration detention centre’
Graphic artist Rebecca Burke was on the trip of a lifetime. But as she tried to leave the US she was stopped, interrogated and branded an illegal alien by ICE. Now back home, she tells others thinking of going to Trump’s America: don’t do it