After multiple instances of longer detainment of tourists by ICE, both the UK, Germany, and Denmark now warn against traveling to the US. While Germany and the UK has general warnings for all tourists, Denmark specifically warns about being trans and traveling to the US.
It is likely we will see a significant drop in US tourism this year.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
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A normal year I have 1-2 work trips to the US (field is international research infrastructure), but now it'll be zero until regime change.
I'm not alone in taking this position, so all the conferences are looking hard at finding other locations. Currently USA has a worse attendance reputation than China, and that's a place we know some of the community won't go to.
@randahl I tried looking at Undenrigsministeriets website for the advisory for transpeople, but couldn't find it there. I tried looking here, but maybe you can point me to it?
https://um.dk/rejse-og-ophold/rejse-til-udlandet/rejsevejledninger/usa
@Anders @randahl Maps made by Erin Reed are most current and have explanatory notes.
The US splits sovereignty between states and the federal government, much like Germany. Laws vary by state, but there's also strong federal influence.
Before this year, I would have said it depends what state you're in. But the current administration is trying to change that, and I would advise most people to avoid the entire US for now.
@randahl (typo in "both")
Yes this is horrible, and next it will be people who walk funny...
@randahl can you update this to say "transgender" instead of "transgendered"?
Transgendered is not how we're called. (You might want to remove that from your phone keyboard completion as well.) Appreciate the updates though!
@randahl afaik Germany only has a general travel notice, not a warning and a warning for trans folks.
This is a relevant difference in case someone wants to cancel their trip now.
@mxk @randahl You're correct, OP is misinformed. Here's a source that clarifies the changes to Germany's travel advice:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-updates-us-travel-advice-after-citizens-detained/a-71980369
"The ministry changed its advisory on Tuesday. It now includes a reminder that approval through the US ESTA system or holding a US visa does not automatically allow entry in every case.
He added that the change did not amount to a travel warning."
@randahl It would seem that a noticeable drop has already happened, at least in Norway: https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/reisebyra-opplever-25-prosent-fall-i-salget-av-reiser-til-usa-1.17324728
According to NRK, travel agencies have noted a 25 % reduction in travel sales to the USA. This drop does not coincide with reduced travel to other locations.
Let us be very frank here about the risks of non-US people visiting the States.
If you are LGBT, non-white, from a Muslim nation please rethink the visit ......for now.
And do protect your electronic devices or do not bring them with you(buy burner phones once in US). The devices will be examined with special software networking tools.
(I am a US citizen)
@rvedotrc you are right. Unfortunately I have made this mistake a couple of times, because the incorrect form “transgendered” reminds me the most of the correct Danish term “transkønnede”.
I mean no offense — it is just an unfortunate linguistic coupling in my brain.
I have updated the post to use the term “trans”.
I am a natural-born United States citizen. Both of my parents were also natural-born United States citizens. My father served over 30 years in the Navy. Part of his service involved being stationed abroad in the late '50s. Which means I'm scared to travel outside the US today. I don't know how some dumb official will deal with it when they look at my United States passport upon my return, and see that it says, "Place of birth: Japan."
I will claim I was already aware it intellectually. But when you realize you're not free of the threat at a personal level, it makes you aware of it far more viscerally. I don't want anyone to suffer unnecessarily, but I wouldn't mind if some of the MAGAts began to realize the freedoms now at risk are actually their own.
Tourism is one part of it. Look at what Trump's mouth is costing the defense industry in terms of sales to our now-uncertain allies.
It would do humanity a huge favor if this entire tread was published (without names/profiles) to an easily read document.
It's one of the most damning opinion threads I have seen for how badly the US is being perceived. But I suspect things will get much worse before we can get back to being good neighbors again.
@randahl I agree with your post and assessment however it follows a reasoning I see in the mainstream media, which often discusses very relevant subjects but then reduces them to some parallel or niche topic. I feel that, ultimatly, that diminishes the subject and feeds into the narrative that everything is relative, anything can be spinned.
# People's right to a fair life should not be subject to interpretation, be they migrant, trans, turists or whatever skinned.
@randahl I am looking at this page for example and I do not see it warning against traveling to the US but maybe there is some other page?
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/entry-requirements
@randahl The wording is a little harsher than other countries but that is all I notice.
A comparison for the "Entry requirements" sections for travelling to the USA and Norway, for example.
Indeed, a boycott over Trump policies could see a 50% drop in tourism, fear of being sent to a concentration camp more likely a 90% drop.
Welp, there go those jobs that MAGA think are being stolen by immigrants. Just think, they could have worked as maids, at check-in desks, and as gardeners and all the other jobs associated with tourism all this time, and now those jobs will be gone.
Musk/Trump and the Republican's 'tariffs' on the USA tourist industry?
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