IDK man, but this DEI hire is teaching a 6 day class on industrial cybersecurity while also keeping up with a DFIR job while also selling a house and doing two visa applications alone while all this shit *waves* is going on. And even cleaned the gutters. But it’s probably because I have t**s.

This shit hurts extra because I had zero legs up in just about anything I have achieved in my career or hobbies, and doing it all before substantial DEI initiatives made it so a lot of people in authority told me to fuck off no matter how hard I worked. It took me years to break into professional cybersecurity. Nobody would mentor me. Professional groups made it purposefully uncomfortable to join. My degree program was 95% men. I had to room with another career in Air Force training. I smiled and shut up through rape jokes and studied alone.

I’ve dedicated so much of my life to making sure nobody else hit those same real road blocks in mentoring and finding jobs, but almost all the progress we have made in my lifetime in the US is just gone, overnight.

Talking about a meritocracy just because you think you hire and promote equally at your personal organization based on only skill is painfully naive. The pipeline is the problem. Breaking in is the problem.
@hacks4pancakes this is absolutely right. We tried very hard to hire underrepresented people and had to compete with the pipeline (tiny straw) produced trickle which had us in direct competition with Google and Microsoft and Netscape. The pipeline was a huge problem.

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The financial catastrophe of the mortgage-backed securities crisis was completely caused by white men. They were considered the best of the financial elites in the world, worth every penny of their million dollar salaries and billion dollar stock grants. And the financial collapse was everywhere, none of them saw it coming.

Anyone can tank an investment bank as CEO, a preschooler with a magic eight ball could do it.

And somehow people still believe in meritocracy.

@firebreathingduck @hacks4pancakes They did indeed know the risks, but also knew (1) that they wouldn't personally have to pay any more than they had stripped-off during the rise, and (2) that the traders who might have (indirectly) had to, were already long gone.
@hacks4pancakes "The pipeline is leaky and full of acid," as the saying went some 10 years ago.

@hacks4pancakes I will say.
..Hiring based on merit is a valid way to hire.

It's just that, like, assuming a person has merit because they're a white dude is fucking stupid.

Speaking as a white dude who's good at specific things, no one should listen to me about financial systems.

Need a computer fixed, from the hardware up through layer 8? I'm your guy. Or, you know, any of the millions of non-white-male folks out there who are easily as competent as I am (often moreso). I did network and application security work, but if someone came to me on the topic and you and I were in the same room, I might just get a little angry that they assumed the bearded white guy knew more than Lesley fucking Carhart.

Need a pipe fixed? Call a plumber, not a programmer. Don't just grab the nearest white guy you see and assume he can fix it. (For example, I'll fix it, and then in six months you'll have to call a real plumber. Not that, uh, that exact thing happened to me recently or anything)

The notorious cheeto is glomming on to this concept of meritocracy, but the thing is: DEI _is_ a meritocracy. It gives everyone the chance to demonstrate they have merit,and,surprise surprise, humans of all shapes, sizes, colors and identities are good at things, it's sort of what defines us as a species.

(sorry, that got a little ranty, I've been festering about this for too long I think)

@hacks4pancakes Their talk of a meritocracy is smoke and mirrors. If they really intended to hire on merit, there would be no reason to revoke an executive order that prevents them from discriminating based on race, sex, etc. They revoked it because the know damned well that they will be discriminating based on all of them!

@kevinbowersox @hacks4pancakes It's not smoke and mirrors, it's jut that the biggest merit is being a white Christian man. That's the first selection criteria.

There's hiring on future merit, potential, and that requires being aware of your own biases.

And there's hiring justly on past merit, which requires fixing the pipeline and being aware of not just your own biases but the systemic biases shaping the pipeline from before pre-school.

@hacks4pancakes

Also the sheer chutzpah of complaining that "DEI means less competent people get hired" when survivorship means that experienced "diverse" hires are always f-ckin amazing and resilient

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@hacks4pancakes exactly. By the time I see a job application, so much damage has already been done. So much great talent potential has been crushed.

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Honestly, I'm not going to believe someone when they say they do it. If they say they try and then want to talk about the ways in which they know they fail and the places where they probably have blind spots? Yeah, maybe. But I've seen too many "progressive" employers where the pipeline ends in a dumpster of broken glass.

Like, to the point where I'm genuinely unsure about the ethics of working to improve the pipeline when even most of the best folks are forced out of the industry by 35.

@dymaxion @hacks4pancakes
Yeah, I mean, in what context does “It’s not MY fault so it’s not MY problem!!” ever actually build confidence in the person saying it?
@hacks4pancakes The pipeline definitely is a problem. While in the IC I observed that we had at least 95%+ resumes from only white men for our openings. If we got a resume from a woman or minority we'd interview, but it just happened so rarely. The field was scientific and technical intelligence, not geopolitical. Which surely was an underlying issue.
@hacks4pancakes Nevermind "DEI hires." "Conformity hires" are the problem.

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Communism is to Corruption and Meritocracy is to Personal Biases.

They both look good on paper, but implementation is impossible.

@hacks4pancakes

An old job I had did hiring differently.

The systems folk in our team would all review the resumes. Except, we were handed resumes with an ID# instead of name/address/demographics.

We reviewed those in a blind of manner as possible.

We would recommend certain ones to do an in-person assessment. Screen was recorded, but no video of any human. We gave yay/nay from there for hiring decision.

Of all the processes I've seen, it always seemed the most fair and impartial. Sure, it's not a trendy name like "DEI". No, it was more like Justicia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice

Lady Justice - Wikipedia

@hacks4pancakes you made a difference. It isn’t gone. The federal government isn’t the country. It’s harder now. And the problems they’re putting in our way are real, but you made (and make) a difference.
@hacks4pancakes This situation sucks. And it's blatantly unfair. :(
@hacks4pancakes You are a badass, and an inspiration. Don't let anyone ever tell you different.
@hacks4pancakes and that means that everything you have done can AND WILL be built upon. You're a pathfinder.
@hacks4pancakes the progress will return. We just have to weather the storm, and help out on a smaller scale in the meantime. Don’t let them see you rattled. Just carry on as the shining example that you are.
@hacks4pancakes FWIW (nothing I guess?) If I were in a position to hire I would want the best people around me. It's what's between your ears that counts IMHO.
@hacks4pancakes There is a saying that there are two kinds of people: The first says "It was hard for me so it should be hard for you too" the second one says "it was hard for me, how do we make it easier for you". I'm happy you are in the second camp.
@hacks4pancakes I am mentoring at least 4/ year usually at least 3 are not white males. We can but try. But what happens to your country is such a tragedy. Reminiscent of yea you know only too well.
@hacks4pancakes that is exactly why they are afraid

@hacks4pancakes I'm reminded of the classic George Carlin bit:

"And t**s doesn't even belong on the list! It's like 'Hey Toots, meet T**s! Toots, T**s, T**s, Toots!'"😇

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Conservatives see nine white men in an office and assume the tenth person, whether they are a woman and POC or god forbid both as a DEI hire.

Then they get mad when you call them racists.

@hacks4pancakes you have Twas?

wow...

just wow...

(sorry i am being silly)

@hacks4pancakes oof what is your secret to being productive amid all this shit *waves*

@hacks4pancakes aren’t you also providing mentoring office hours and attending conferences?

…and now I feel worse about my time management.

@hacks4pancakes tits are the super power, really :P

@hacks4pancakes sending what good vibes/luck I have left in your direction

I'm short on spoons currently

But my VA disability rating just quadrupled, almost enough for those retiree passive income visas in Europe 🤞