The rollback of major DEI programs in FAANG companies should be a reminder that your company is not your friend and you need a union to protect your rights.
@Ashedryden They only did it because they were told to. If nobody keeps telling them to, they won't.
@drwho @Ashedryden I'm beginning to think they've merely been relieved of any motivation to pretend.

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In truth, the "DEI" programs at most tech companies were not much more than PR window dressing. I don't know anyone who worked at Meta so I can't say for certain, but I suspect that in practice, Zuck isn't rolling back very much that actually existed except PR posturing.

This is still another "mask off" moment for anyone not paying attention. Every big tech company and CEO wanted Trump back and worked diligently to ensure that happened.

@SaftyKuma @Ashedryden it was actually a pretty big part of recruitment strategy, and took a high position in training for interviewing. Things are going to feel very different after this week.

Feels like a quiet RIF

@ATLeagle @Ashedryden

Do you have direct experience?

My previous employer touted "DEI" but that amounted to an anti-discrimination video and some virtue signaling on social media.

(My current employer doesn't seem to have even bothered.)

@SaftyKuma @Ashedryden i work at meta.

Just got direction about interviewing with standard corporate speak, a link to talking points if candidates ask about these changes, and option to take yourself out of the interviewers pool of you feel you can't right now, and an expectation that some candidates may be removing themselves from consideration so we need to be flexible.

@SaftyKuma @Ashedryden there are employee resource groups that are likely going to lose funding, and the DEI dept that many people loved and all respected has been removed. The chief dei officer is now in a different role. She is so freaking cool and effective and just got sidelined.

@ATLeagle @Ashedryden

Thanks for the inside insight. I've never been impressed with the efforts I've seen personally, but admittedly Meta is pretty big company.

In this case it does sound like things are really are changing for the worse there, which is truly sad to hear.

Given what you're saying, I'd agree that this feels like a "shadow RIF" in that they actively hope many people quit over this.

Wishing you the best on this.

@SaftyKuma @Ashedryden ya. Its really big, and many groups never interact. I have no influence on product decisions, so all the shit that makes people hate the company would exist no matter where I worked. There are some really smart people that are very interesting to work with. There are also a pile of Joe Rogan fanboies that are very frustrating. There have been pockets of goodness that are being silenced now. I've personally been keeping a low profile for a while because of trumpers
@ATLeagle @SaftyKuma @Ashedryden and yes… this does sound like the next round in shadow layoffs after rto.
@SaftyKuma @Ashedryden There's a lot of truth to this. All corporate DEI and ERG initiatives that reported up to HR were *never* going to affect systemic and measurable changes that would expose the company to direct legal or financial liability. What IC employees need is a union and collective bargaining.

@vanvoorden @Ashedryden

Sounds like Meta had a much more robust DEI initiative than I initially assumed and have experienced myself, so my initial thought that it was mostly PR window dressing at was wrong.

Which of course makes it all worse that Zuck is willing to toss it all out at the behest of a wannabe dictator.

@vanvoorden @Ashedryden

And looks like Amazon's following suit. Though I cannot say how their DEI initiatives compared to Meta's, obviously.

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@Ashedryden most our companies hate us

@Ashedryden The rollback of DEI at Facebook doesn't mean that every major tech company is rolling back DEI. I have heard no recent changes in DEI among FAANG other than Facebook

I can only specifically speak to Netflix maintaining our meaningful investment in diversity, inclusion, and belonging. It's not perfect, Netflix could do better (especially in content choices), but DEI remains a priority for Netflix as a company.

As a manager at Netflix, my reporting chain supports me in actively improving our inclusion practices, setting high expectations for inclusive behavior, and striving towards equitable hiring and promotion and compensation (and equitable access to opportunities), in order to maintain and build a diverse workforce. I'm not alone in this: Netflix security has a dedicated inclusion strategy director whom we work with to improve our practices, address issues, and hold regular discussions to develop cultural competency and build understanding of experiences so we can grow a more inclusive work environment.

There remain real and concerning problems at Netflix and at other tech companies, but there are also many people who work to improve at least some parts of these companies. It's important to call out the gaps and the companies like Facebook that are making harmful changes, but take care not to lump companies together when one is doing something particularly bad.

The DEI choices of tech companies are highly visible globally despite having relatively small workforces compared to other industries like auto or food or pharma β€” which is why it's important to call out the tech industry as a whole for falling short of genuine commitments to improve equitable practices

But I moved to and remain in the tech industry because even on average I've experienced less discrimination in tech than in teaching or other industries I considered. My experiences aren't everyone's, but it's been helpful to give balanced perspectives avoiding both toxic positivity and criticism without context
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@Ashedryden Serious question: why are there no unions (that i’m aware of) for Software Developers or other folks in Tech/IT?
#developer #tech #it #Union #SoftwareDevelopers #TechUnions #ITWorkers

@codedbydan generally speaking, for two reasons
1) tech workers have deeply bought into the meritocracy and collective bargaining feels counter to it
2) it feels super hypocritical to claim you are getting exploited when your comp is well into 6 figures

Pretty easy to manipulate people into feeling masters of their own destiny and more like they deserve those comp numbers, if they avoid a union. Ignore those folks over there that are actually exploited, the meritocracy says they deserve it

Again, the above is generally speaking

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@draNgNon That's a really good explanation! Thanks for breaking it down.
@draNgNon @codedbydan @Ashedryden I was thinking about this yesterday, and you clarified it. Both meritocracy and the seeming hypocrisy of having all these comforts + high paying job while being exploited. Are there any tech unions or efforts to unionize that you suggest we follow? it's so rare for my classmates to talk negatively about software engineering or tech jobs in general. it's seen as a prestigious thing siigh

@nadia hm, I am no expert here; I work at Google, and US unionization there isn't terribly effective (I personally believe, becuase of the two reasons I cited above). where are you... what nation, I don't need anything more specific?

@codedbydan @Ashedryden

@draNgNon i'm in the US as well
@codedbydan @Ashedryden because a lot of software engineers are the kind of people you see commenting on HN, and if you've seen those people talk about unions, like damn, they have some kind of god complex, "oh hey, a union would end up making me paid as much as my less productive co-workers, I'm actually a 10x engineer, and I deserve every bajillion of the dollars that are paid to me and yeah unions are for losers"
@Ashedryden β€œ...is not your friend.” Full. Stop.
Look out for yourself and don’t depend on anyone else to help.
Imnsho, plenty of bad in unions to go around too.
@Ashedryden I've said that all these companies that crow about their diversity and inclusivity in their marketing, and making their logo pride themed for Pride Month, will just as gleefully sell services to build concentration camps when the cultural winds shift again.
@Ashedryden This does not surprise me at all - see this #BecauseCapitalism thread where I’ve talked about the underlying #LogicOfCapitalism before: https://mstdn.social/@arcadiagt5/113807929237784446
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Reboosting this #BecauseCapitalism thread because of the rollbacks of DEI programs in major companies like Facebook etc… Consider this a periodic reminder that such programs which make corporations #ApparentlyProgressive will only ever exist to the extent that #BecauseMarketing says they are a net positive to the corporation’s bottom line.

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@Ashedryden do you know the status across FAANG? Are Apple & Alphabet rolling back efforts? For years they seemed like pioneers who genuinely reached out to me to send promising candidates. I share programs with students, so any info I should update, advise on is most welcome. Thanks!

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McDonalds announced this week they are ending all inclusionary DEI protocols. You know you're shit when you have Donald in your name