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Mark Wyner Won’t Comply 
Frank Zappa telling the future in 1986. That future being today, in America.
#Fascism #Theocracy #FrankZappa #Reagan #GOP #America #Nationalism #ReligiousExtremism
VulcanTouristHell, Ray Bradbury anticipated/predicted that future America much much earlier than 1986 in one of his novels! I'll leave it as a reader exercise to determine which one. 🙂
Timothy MartinOh, I have. In fact I discuss his work in my lecture on artificial intelligence.
KozmykIt's about to become true. The Orange Scum will become incapable to govern within 1-2 years and the theocratic fascist VP will become President. That was the goal of the Federalist Society all along.
Simon LucyThe USA has been a Theocracy since at least the 50's but it's always been there, it pandered to the Theocracy at the turn of the 19th Century to the 30's; Prohibition and the religious censorship of written material, even comics are just the most obvious examples of that.
That it's a Theology that joins Capital and Manifest Destiny using a corrupted Creed doesn't prevent it from being a Theology.
Yeah, it's not a Christian Theology.
Joe Woke@markwyner WOW was Frank right or what?
Juho MäntysaloI'm constantly amazed how well-thought Zappa is in these clips. He comes across as one of the better social sciences professors.
Jörg 🇩🇪🇬🇧🇪🇺@markwyner Wow. Do you have an external link to the original video?
@geco_de yeah. But I could only find it on YouTube when I was looking.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B9856_xv8gc
Forewarning. It will probably make you angry. Unless you laugh it off. Those three people with him are abhorrent.
Frank Zappa on Crossfire 1986
@markwyner Oh, it’s a long video. Great, thank you. I’ll watch it later. But I also saw some videos from the past in German where that, what happens today, was already forecasted by them.
We were all warned and it was ignored for too long.
We were all warned and it was ignored for too long.
Roturier ⏚@markwyner
C'est vraiment dommage de ne pas avoir la traduction écrite!
It’s a shame not to have the written translation!
C'est vraiment dommage de ne pas avoir la traduction écrite!
It’s a shame not to have the written translation!
@roturier Toutes mes excuses. Si j'avais ça, je le posterais pour vous.
@markwyner
Sympa, merci d'avoir pris la peine de répondre!
Sympa, merci d'avoir pris la peine de répondre!
🇺🇦 haxadecimal 🚫👑@markwyner He nailed it. Always knew he was a genius far ahead of his time.
Sara Joy 
@markwyner I've always known his name but never actually heard any of his music or speech. Thanks for this.
I'm partly reminded of a debate I watched once between a physics and religion teacher at a fancy school. I forget the actual debate title, but the crux was whether you could have morality without religion.
Of course I agreed with the physicist - and in fact if you treat other people well WITHOUT the anticipation of punishment or reward in this or the next life, is that not MORE moral?
@sarajw I love this so much.
I have a curious relationship with spirituality and physics. I believe they’re intersectional when separated from organized religions.
And I def agree that morality can be independent of religion.
My wife and I just finished the series “The Good Place.” It’s a cute show that takes a surprisingly solid look at this very topic. You might check it out.
@markwyner it probably requires some kind of subscription service right?
And yes agreed - it all boils down to the Golden Rule for me: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
@sarajw can’t argue with that rule. So simple and logical.
I’m an Ashkenazi Jew by blood, but an Atheist by spiritual choice. I was raised mostly Christian with lots of Jewish tradition and religious practice all around me. So I have varying perspectives about all of this. But it comes down, simply, to “don’t be a dick.”
@markwyner yessssss.
Seems like to me that the conservative types - while espousing that they are fine upstanding religious people - are actually wanting to reserve the right to be dicks to certain groups of people.
VelteropⓐⓊ🪂🇪🇺🇳🇱🇬🇧🇩🇪@sarajw @markwyner Definitely more moral!
Graeme 🏴@markwyner He nailed it there. And kept his cool remarkable well!
TC Won't Give In To LiesFrank Zappa and George Carlin warned about all this decades ago.
@TCatInReality right. Carlin def also ahead of the herd.
yuhasz01@markwyner Yes "Mr" Frank Zappa who made more sense during his day than any US politician. He really got under the skin of American proto-fascist politicians .
xs4me2
The Enemy is Within@markwyner Let's be Frank ⬆️👍
Miss Bullitt 🚲 🏳️⚧️@markwyner Once again, bigot are confused that we can have morality without religion.
@markwyner Je tente une traduction :
Zappa : Puis-je faire une déclaration au sujet de la défense nationale ?
Homme 1 : Yeah
Z : La plus grande menace pour l'Amérique d'aujourd'hui n'est pas le communisme mais la tendance actuelle à aller vers une théocratie fasciste et tout ce qui arrive sous le mandat de l'administration Reagan nous envoie droit sur cette pente savonneuse
H1 : Oh Mr Zappa, vous n'est pas sérieux quand vous dite qu'on fonce vers une théocratie fasciste
(1/2)
Z : Et pourtant si, quand on a un gouvernement qui préfère certains codes moraux issus de certaines religions et que ces codes moraux se transforment en lois afin de servir la vision de certaines religions et si ce code se trouve être très très à droite, quasiment à Attila le Hun,
Homme 2 : Mais vous êtes un anarchiste, toute forme de gouvernement civil est basé sur une forme de morale Frank
Z : Morale en terme de comportement, pas en terme de théologie
(2/2)
@grincheux Belle. Je ne parle pas français. J'ai utilisé un traducteur pour répondre.
@markwyner I'm not a professional translator but as a French man who lived in an English speaking country for few month, I tried my best to manage this translation.
EuZèbe 🎧
Rich Stein (he/him)@markwyner
Background:
On a 1986 episode of Crossfire, Frank Zappa sat down with hosts Robert Novack (on the left) and Tom Braden (on the right) to talk about censorship and his testimony before the United States Senate Commerce, Technology, and Transportation committee in regard to actions taken by the PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center).
https://laughingsquid.com/frank-zappa-on-crossfire-1986/
Background:
On a 1986 episode of Crossfire, Frank Zappa sat down with hosts Robert Novack (on the left) and Tom Braden (on the right) to talk about censorship and his testimony before the United States Senate Commerce, Technology, and Transportation committee in regard to actions taken by the PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center).
https://laughingsquid.com/frank-zappa-on-crossfire-1986/
👁Pooka🫣Boo🫵@markwyner I saw this live when first broadcast.
R.L. LE@markwyner As yet I'm afraid I underestimated his work. 🤔
@herrLorenz honestly, I’m not a fan of his music. I never heard anything that brought me joy. But I’ve followed his work as a human being for as long as I can remember.
His book is one I’ve put off for far too long. I’m gonna read it this year.
https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/099f9ebf-34b3-4d57-8291-452be91cd188
No problem; His music, like some jazz, was too creative for some sensibilities. As a human, he was always honest and clear as to where he was coming from.
Meclusvea@markwyner hostia, lo ha clavado!
Virginicus@markwyner Conservatives have always been as stylish and cool as they are today.
@Virginicus it’s interesting how he walks into their circle with a suit on, and looks dapper af.
McCrankyface@markwyner
"I told you so" isn't really helpful but, Jesus Christ, we have seen this coming for a long, long time.
"I told you so" isn't really helpful but, Jesus Christ, we have seen this coming for a long, long time.
Cammel@markwyner In his book "The Real Frank Zappa Book" there is a chapter called "Church and State". Now I have to read it :-)
Gert 
@markwyner the funniest (and most disheartening) thing is that the journalist alludes to anarchism as an "immoral" perspective 😂
David Crispin@[email protected] omg did he call that one.
Mark Corbett Wilson@markwyner Gabriel Rockhill is uncovering and talking about how the 'left' has been controlled opposition. Crossfire supports his research: the 'liberal' Tom Braden was a CIA official. Here's a Rockhill compilation that includes Interviews with Chris Hedges who has written about Christian fascism in the US.
https://youtu.be/xFctHf6gfNw?si=cfcdudV_VMC_7EBl
https://youtu.be/xFctHf6gfNw?si=cfcdudV_VMC_7EBl
The Origins and Nature of Fascism - Gabriel Rockhill Megacut
Denny Kozlov@markwyner Ah yes. At this point in Frank's career, he'd had close to two decades of calmly and precisely telling suits, protofascists, and assorted assholes interfering with his work exactly where to stick it. It's a beautiful thing to watch. Gone too soon - would love to have heard him tee off on the current crop.
Alix Aspersa 🏴 🚲 🌱 🌈@markwyner Pour traduire en français : Zappa dit que la menace pour les USA n'est pas le communisme mais l'élection de Raegan qui conduit le pays direct vers une théocratie fasciste. La preuve : les gouvernants préfèrent un code moral issu de la religion qui deviennent des règles de droits. Ce code est très très d'extrême droite.
Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷@markwyner He nailed it.