Never forget: misogyny is a skill issue
@Daojoan
Wait till we get to clitoris...

@PirjaPaa @Daojoan actually, now that i think about it.. the more i learned about actual 'nether-anatomy' (not the surface level bs u get from a private catholic school's bare minimum sex-ed), the more progressive in my views i became.. tho... i think the causality might have been the other way around🥴

(i'm a silly goofball and refer to genitals as the nether region)

@CIMB4 @PirjaPaa @Daojoan learning how the various parts corresponded to each other was such a revelation and a relief

(also there was that diagram that people have been sharing on tumblr that shows how the ovaries sit inside the body cavity with the uterus and it looked startlingly like a flaccid dick and balls)

@CIMB4 @Daojoan

I'm not sure what you are trying to say?
That the more you learn, the more hostile you became?

I was referring to misogyny in general and specifically to comments from "manosphere", hostile claims that clitoris doesn't exist and female orgasm is a myth. Apparently they are only a plot by feminists to tread on men or some such crap..
To hide the fact that they have NEVER properly satisfied a woman due to blatant ignorance of female anatomy 😅

@Daojoan
The most elusive part of female body:
#clitoris the feminist power plot!

Since the only post of the Ben Shapiro account on Mastodon states:

'Facts don’t care about your feelings.'

Here are some facts about the clitoris that even teens can understand.

I expect he will feel insulted, but as he says himself: 'facts don't care about his feelings.'

https://flo.health/menstrual-cycle/teens/clitoris-explained

@PirjaPaa @Daojoan
#Clitoris

Clitoris anatomy, purpose, and location (with a diagram) - Flo

If you’ve ever wondered where your clitoris is and what it does, you’re not the only one. Here’s everything you need to know about the clitoris.

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@Daojoan
It's often discussed how male failure is a social issue we need to solve. Perhaps we don’t need to solve it. Those who are capable of adapting will. Those who are not won't be passing along their legacy.

@JoeChip @Daojoan

Oh great.
We are going to end up with an abundance of square jawed vapid asshole who start the day by grabbing their testes-like-chin and shouting at the mirror.
"This day belongs to you Brad!"

@n_dimension @Daojoan
There's no social consensus around how to create better men. There's no interest in creating such a consensus as far as I can detect (either among women or men). Not sure what, if anything, will help.

@n_dimension @JoeChip @Daojoan going to???

We already went there, we've been there so long, we already send postcards home...

@Fleurvervenne @JoeChip @Daojoan

I'm stealing that phrase and there is nothing you can do to stop me!

MUAHAHAHAHA!!!

@n_dimension @JoeChip @Daojoan go ahead..

I got some more if you like

@n_dimension @Fleurvervenne @JoeChip @Daojoan i have to agree, i like the phrase...has some great sass

@girlnamedwar @n_dimension @JoeChip @Daojoan thanks...

Its not my favorite...but i fear wulfy, will steal that one also

@n_dimension @JoeChip @Daojoan i thought they were named Chad.

Who is Brad?

@JoeChip @Daojoan failed men are adapting by electing regressive leaders.

Title IX helped level the playing field for girls in school and now they are outperforming boys. Perhaps because earlier female brain development can shine through now? We need policies to help boys catch up.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/on-the-media/id73330715?i=1000677669138

Why Men And Boys Are Struggling

Podcast Episode · On the Media · 11/20/2024 · 18m

Apple Podcasts

@JoeChip @Daojoan

On the other hand, 65k rape pregnancies have occurred in Red States alone since Roe v. Wade was overturned.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/01/24/1226161416/rape-caused-pregnancy-abortion-ban-states

Rapists get to choose their children's mother now, thanks to the #fascist #GOP.

@Daojoan This also explains racism, culture wars, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, and more...

Educated people who are doing well are difficult to manipulate into blaming the people around them (and especially below them on the socioeconomic scale) for their lack of success.

@JustinDerrick @Daojoan I believe it’s a bit more complex than that. Personality types play a strong part too. There are many rich, well educated people who are also racist & misogynistic. They might just live in social groups where they learn how to hide it.

@Muiris @JustinDerrick @Daojoan ingroup favoritism is strong there...

The smart wealthy people mostly fear loss of something...

Besides...smart doesnt mean "good at everything" forget that "the big bang theory" propaganda...

I have needed to teach people who have doctorates...how to use e-readers...

@Muiris @Daojoan I'm speaking in general -- where people who don't feel threatened that someone else's success will come at a cost of their own.

In the current economic climate, most people are struggling, and politicians abuse this to fan the flames of all the forms of hatred.

@Daojoan

Interesting.

It's a normal (yet shitty) human behaviour to irrationally apportion blame to external factors to explain one's bad performance (It's part of a theory called "locus of control" if I remember well). It's a self defence mechanism.

What I wonder is what comes first: internal unconscious misogyny coming up when one's self esteem is threatened, or the low self esteem makes one's more prone to believe misogynistic ideas coming from others?

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@Daojoan

Also, it makes me realise that perhaps one of the best way to eradicate misogyny (and all the other prejudices such as homophobia, transphobia and racism) is to foster greater self-esteem through education? Education in the amily, education at school and also education at all levels of society.

Just thinking out loud.

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@Daojoan You know? I can't say that I disagree with that. Most low brow males are stupid instinctual humans. 🤣
@GrayWolf57 @Daojoan a lot of them on here have proven that to be a correct assesment
@Daojoan Poor performing males… aaaaaahahahahahah!!
@Daojoan but like unironically, it is
@Daojoan Yeah, no. Don't use evo psych bs even for noble causes.
@livinghell @Daojoan evolutionary psychology is kinda the baseline...
@Fleurvervenne @Daojoan A baseline of pseudoscience is a baseline for pseudoscience.
@Daojoan i have experienced this...both personal and work related...
Got called names on vermintide 2 by guys who were struggling, but got compliments from the higher level guys...

@Daojoan i mean...i can take trash talk...i do it too...

But there is a diffrence between abuse...and trash talk...

It is funny to see how underperforming men react to this article...with the OP having a female picture...

The exact same way as they'd respond in games...

@monkey @Daojoan this has always been my experience

I spent years of my life on xbox live and the only time people made genuinely misogynistic comments to me is when i was better than them

@vriska @monkey @Daojoan yea...beat them in a game and get told horrific stuff...
@Daojoan Back in the 2006-2009 time frame my favorite past time was playing Battlefield 2142. As a team based game with squads its good to have an SL with a head for the game. My favorite SL was a woman that went by the gamer tag of Arithea. Those were the best times I've had playing a team based MP game. I miss those days.

@draeh @Daojoan i used to support roles...people were gojng (oh kitten only play support cause shes a chick)

But when i then jumped to offense and kicked their butts, suddenly they had horrid stuff to say...unless j had my dad go "GG fellas"

@Daojoan "poor performing males who stand to lose the most status" seems pretty damn apt

(cf. also how racism perpetuates among lower-class whites, or even upper-class whites who were born into wealth and have very little in their own personal achievements)
@Daojoan Reminds me of what I’m experiencing in the California Sierra Club. Older male NIMBYs who have been parting the same old shit about people bring pollution so don’t build more housing are threatened by me (a she/her). Younger ones with more policy chops about density helping cut CO2 are encouraging and responsive.

@Daojoan

I wonder if it's occurred to anybody to investigate whether the bad behavior toward women & the poor skill levels spring from a common source: i.e., a sense of entitlement, instead of a commitment to levelling up?

@cavyherd @Daojoan bet they have...

Or you never had a woman talk while you gamed...

@Daojoan Eh, i'd say that's true across the gender board. Did they get a baseline for comparison by seeing how female gamers reacted to other female gamers of different skill levels? I'll bet a similar action is at work that crosses genderlines, though it may express somewhat differently. Woman can be just as vicious at undercutting another female they're jealous of.

@Beggarmidas @Daojoan female gamers usually aid lower skill females in games...

In games like back 4 blood the female groups i play in are more supportive then in make dominated groups

@Chesi @Daojoan Again, I dunno. Seen it go all sorts of ways. Not that I stay on top of that sort of thing, but it's hard to miss things like the sssniperwolf meltdown. To me on the internet everyone is just kinda a hazy blob of nondescript identity. A vague outline that really doesn't reveal much about whomever's driving it. They could be 14 year old girl pretending to be a 70 year old guy. Or vise versa. Or neither. Don't see much point or value into reading too far into it.
@Beggarmidas @Daojoan "I bet women do it to" is so unhelpful in this discussion lol. The post is about men being misogynistic to women because they are disrupting the patriarchal space they exist in. Women being mean to other women has nothing to do with what they are saying.

It's not about jealousy, it's about these men not thinking the women deserves to be in this space, and they are so insecure in their masculinity that a women doing better than them threatens it.

Being in the gaming space for my whole life, These are things that I have seen happened first hand. This is not a simple instance of jealousy. And don't take it from me, look at the lived experiences of the other women in this thread posting... Its pretty obvious lol
@bonealisa @Daojoan Maybe. But for that study to be of any use to draw conclusions from there still has to be some sort of control group, otherwise it's just a curated survey cherrypicking it's sample to support a forgone conclusion. It's a curated answer study that comes off sounding like a hit piece, too. TBH I suspect it's more a matter of immaturity & insecurity more than a gender thing. But we can't tell from that study, can we?
@Beggarmidas @Daojoan well go ahead and read through the paper: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4503401

It makes a strong supporting argument for exactly what the post says lol
Insights into Sexism: Male Status and Performance Moderates Female-Directed Hostile and Amicable Behaviour

Gender inequality and sexist behaviour is prevalent in almost all workplaces and rampant in online environments. Although there is much research dedicated to understanding sexist behaviour, we have almost no insight into what triggers this behaviour ...

PubMed Central (PMC)
@bonealisa @Daojoan Fair. I'll check it over. But I would also caution folks to remember there's two major factors enhancing *everyone's* general feeling about being under attack from *someone*. The natural algos of social media further enhanced by Russia & China feeding massive levels of oxygen to every social schism they can. The subversive goal is to offline their enemies by any indirect means. Please try not to feed either of those wolves, eh? Except Trump. Fuck him & everything about him.
@Daojoan i wish it didn't came from bs evolutionary psychology but the findings themselves are funny