“AI” models are suffused with US values and, occasionally, those are quite shocking to us non-Americans

An Icelandic police force used a generated image to promote a public notice

People were absolutely horrified

Why?

Because the cop in the image had a gun, in a holster, AROUND CHILDREN 😱

The uniform was also not accurate for an Icelandic cop but what people found obscene was the idea that anybody would carry a gun around children, even holstered

https://www.ruv.is/frettir/innlent/2024-10-20-logreglan-a-sudurnesjum-aetlar-ad-haetta-ad-nota-gervigreindarmyndir-af-logregluthjonum-425104

Lögreglan á Suðurnesjum ætlar að hætta að nota gervigreindarmyndir af lögregluþjónum - RÚV.is

Lögreglan á Suðurnesjum ætlar að hætta að nota gervigreindarmyndir af lögregluþjónum á Facebook-síðu sinni. Embættið birti gervigreindarmynd af lögregluþjóni, sem virðist vera vopnaður, umkringdum börnum.

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For some reasons people feel compelled to point out, both here and on Bluesky, that police carry guns in other countries than the US

As if it's the massive popularity of pictures of German police online that's biasing models made by US companies towards rendering pictures of armed police.

FFS!

@baldur I remember this iconic german police officer with his gun, quite a picture it was

@archiloque I can still hear the theme song 🙂

(Though, discovering later on about him being an SS officer was a shock 😬 And Herbert Reinecker!)

@baldur @archiloque
Are you talking about Derrick? I just read a story about that in the SZ (Süddeutsche Zeitung) today.
@baldur one of my favourite activities while living in Germany was checking up on brown teenagers surrounded by 5-7 cops……
@baldur ahh another classic case of the whataboutisms

@baldur I always find the presence of armed people shocking.

Mostly because of the intrusive thoughts whenever I see one that I should absolute snatch it from its little holster and shoot the owner, while screaming "do you feel safer now, you dolt?"

@kay @baldur
I'm not sure if this helps or not, but you can't just pull a gun straight from a holster these days. There's usually some kind of retention mechanism that you have to release before you can draw the weapon.

Edit: Just to make it abundantly clear, this is very specifically about the post that I'm directly replying to. I'm general, I don't think cops should exist at all, much less carry guns. I don't think police disarmament or abolition is going to happen before the person I replied to is going to be in a position where they're close to a cop with a gun, though. I do appreciate the optimism, though.

@jargoggles @baldur One small clasp mechanism away

Luckily the only time I've ever see armed police is in airports so it's not like the other worst-case intrusive thoughts, in that it's very very rare x3

@kay @baldur
Ah, but the trick is - where is the release and how do you get your hand in a position to both get it and pull the gun away in a quick, smooth enough motion to beat even a modest reaction time?

Unless you *really* practice it (and please, please don't), you can tell your intrusive thoughts, "sure, and how about I steal his watch without him noticing while I'm at it?"

@jargoggles @baldur sort of the main thing with intrusive thoughts like "hey what would happen if I jumped off this building" is that 99.9999% of the time it's relatively easy not to act on them

@jargoggles @kay @baldur And also, cops are trained, and that is so ingrained that even mentioning the gun they immediately protect them.

I once was curious and asked a cop why he had two holsters, one on his chest and belt and had just one gun, just from mentioning it he recoiled away from me but smiled and answered that depending on where they are they are required to put the gun in different parts of their bodies and having two holsters makes that easier.

@kay @baldur wearing a gun is, to quote Star Trek, “an inherently hostile act.”

@baldur just recently, an article went around on how genAI will easily show you people of X culture, taking a selfie (native americans, yuan dynasty chinese, aztec warriors, neanderthals, you name it) – except they all have that grotesque rictus toothy smile they use in the US.

i found that to be such a good example: on the surface, it purports to show historic (or prehistoric) people in a lively manner, not like exhibits. which would be good! but also, it makes painfully evident that it will impose a highly regional, very present-day idea of ‘liveliness’ upon it.

@gekitsu Yeah, I remember that article. It was good.
@baldur speaking of, you wouldn’t happen to have its URL present? because a friend asked me about it recently, and i couldn’t find it in my RSS reader nor was it apparent in the last days’ worth of my masto TL.
AI and the American Smile

How AI misrepresents culture through a facial expression.

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@baldur oooh holy shit, it was! thank you! (for some reason, i thought it was on some popular science website, not medium. that could’ve severely hampered my searching)

@baldur is that a runic alphabet on one shoulder and Hebrew on the other?

Sorry for polluting the world with our unique disease

@evil1 I think that might be the usual AI argle-bargle text. I’m somewhat impressed that the generator go the main “Lögreglan” text right in the first place.

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It is horrific, that the icelandic police force did not notice how revolting the image was for icelandic people before publishing.

@Life_is @baldur would have been better off to just put a picture of a real officer in the schoolyard next to some kids bicycles (assuming its for a road safety project, and that AI was used as getting all the parents consent for the photos if there were real kids was seen as too much work/cost)
@baldur it is so fucking refreshing to hear that attitude toward guns rather than pushing for "more cops in schools"
@TeflonTrout @baldur As a USian, that was my EXACT first thought when reading this, an uncontrolled wave of "holy shit, it must be so nice to have that be the cultural norm". It almost brought tears to my eyes. 😳 (And was shortly followed by sorrow at the cultural pollution.)
@TeflonTrout @baldur you have cops IN schools!?
@ferret @baldur some of em, what else are we supposed to do about mass shootings, ban assault weapons? Pssh, that ALWAYS works /s

@ferret @TeflonTrout @baldur Quite a few United States schools have cops in them.

They explicitly have "no duty to protect" the students or staff.

They are actually there as PR for the police departments concerned.

Some schools have finally started to end those programs; but only after way too many cases of cops harassing or assaulting students.

(When I was in school decades ago; we had cops on campus. All I ever saw them do was demonstrate how they might plant evidence.)

@baldur For what it's worth, both this and the reality are disturbing to a lot of us in the US, to.
@baldur My American friends are frequently amazed when I remind them that normally (aside from special response teams, or airport security etc), police in the UK do not carry guns. They're also slightly bemused that I become extremely uncomfortable when abroad and seeing an officer with a weapon. For all the many faults with police here, that is one good thing.
@LordWoolamaloo @baldur I'm from Denmark and some years ago a show in TV had a cop from Detroit visit one of the Nordic countries to meet a fellow cop. They quickly started talking about guns and when they had last fired them. The US cop fired his gun at a suspect the week before — the other cop had never fired his gun outside the shooting range 😄 The look on the face of the US cop was hilarious, he could not believe his ears.
@mgeisler @baldur I read an article a few months back on how many days/weeks of training US law enforcement personnel got on how to de-escalate a situation as opposed to shooting training, and yes, it was much less on controlling and de-escalating, so of course many of them go straight to pulling a gun in many situations, compared to other countries where many will try to calm the situation first.
@baldur a disease we have in America...lust for guns

@baldur The Los Angeles Unified School District has their own police department. Armed of course.

When he was in elementary school my son had several classroom lockdowns due to armed individuals being pursued by police either on campus or nearby. They had a bucket in the room in case the kids needed to relieve themselves during the sometimes lengthy delay before the all-clear.

It would be nice if this bs could be expunged from American childrens' school experience.

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@baldur Why didn't they just take a photograph?
I can't even...
@baldur I don't find guns shocking at all. I mean I live in a country that is constantly at war. For me even if people would spontaneously explode, randomly on the street, I would just keep living normally.

@baldur
I see this post and can't help but remember that some US schools have armed police IN schools to keep the schools safe.

I also recall being told in school in the event of a school shooter event, we had shut off all lights and get under desks and stay quiet. We were to avoid the shooter since the police might immediately shoot anyone with a gun. This was of course on one of the "school shooter" drills.

@enthusiast101 @baldur
We have those classes and drills at work (there was a work place shooting at a similar type company in the same region of the state (IL) a few years ago). We are also taught not to approach the officers because they might shoot us.

@enthusiast101 @baldur
And then when the shooting happens, the armed cops do nothing while the shooter kills kids

Because it’s too easy to get guns in the States. And having more guns does not help

@AccordionBruce @enthusiast101 @baldur Followed by the courts ruling that the cops have "no duty to protect" students or staff from school shootings; because that is not actually why the cops are in the schools: https://www.ajc.com/news/national/judge-tosses-stoneman-douglas-high-school-lawsuit-says-police-and-schools-had-duty-protect-students/Oflb5VmBb0UjSiLBhgGovM/
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@baldur I mean, there’s kids missing fingers, floating busses. The kid front and centre with a helmet on is putting a second helmet on. And the cop is also carrying the abyss inside him.

He is death

@baldur OMG there’s a ghost kid at the bottom right as well!

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Police carry guns in Australia now, but I still haven’t got used to it. Always surprises & distresses me.

@baldur excuse me, how does one move to Iceland and become a citizen? Asking for my cat. Who can't live without me so I guess I'll need to tag along, oh dear.

@baldur It should be shocking.

The fact that people would not only not find it shocking but defend it as totally unshocking and acceptable is, well....

...so very American. (I was going to say "shocking", but I've been living in this cursed timeline for awhile now and I've come to expect that level of awfulness on a routine basis.)

@baldur to be fair, most Americans are horrified by this idea too.
@baldur believe it or not but the vast majority of Americans do believe in gun laws. The lobbies have been too powerful till now. But I get it. As an American I a totally done with the American trope of the Wild West cowboy an a symbol of rugged individualism. The “wild”west was called that for a reason. PTSD Civil War vets desperate women with little protection. Plus the massive genocide that it rarely mentioned. Hollywood did us a great disservice.
@baldur I wonder whether it's also partly a cop thing. I've seen cops in New Zealand at a community Christmas event giving out stickers to children while wearing Tasers. Made me recoil, but they seemed completely oblivious.
I could see a cop looking at that photo and saying “Sure, they're carrying a gun, and we don't actually do that because people are weird about it. But it's actually fine, because they're police. It's not like a _dangerous_ person carrying a gun”.
@baldur Btw, in Iceland, Police doesn't use guns. Never. They don't need to.
Fun Fact: In Germany, police cars have a compartment in the door where police officers can put their guns in. This lead to a culture shock when this type of car was presented to UK police (which was consindering buying police cars from Germany) because in the UK, police officers generally don't carry guns.
@hallunke23 @baldur well technically there's is the Special Forces. They have weapons. But they're the only ones with guns. But there's a whole thing going on with the police in Iceland and weaponry. They want to start carrying tasers and stuff. Not sure if that's become allowed yet.
@baldur Yeah I live in Canada, and when I was a kid I remember whenever the Police would come into school on some occasions to give like a speech about drugs or something. And they'd always come in with their guns on them, even though this was like about grade 5 or so. I had always just assumed that was normal everywhere.
@baldur the people who use these are hoping the opportunity cost of a gaff is less than the actual cost of just hiring a photographer for an afternoon. Until these mistakes cost more than that nothing will change