“Some say 2+2=4. Others we’ve spoken to believe the answer is 5.”

– The media today, basically

@aral
It's even worse. Given the prominence given to outrageousness, the story would be ...

Personality Figure says 2 + 2 = 5. Critics disagree.

@TCatInReality @aral "Bold new movement challenges the orthodoxy of 2+2." more like

@spacehobo @aral
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Or maybe "2+2=?. Here are both sides"

@TCatInReality @aral "George Orwell painted 2+2=5 as the argument of soulless Stalinists. Meet the hip white boys with undercuts who dress well and are bringing a new face to this philosophy!!!"

@spacehobo @aral
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That sounds like one of the #NYTimes 20-min-read profile pieces on rightwing figures.

Strange that I don't recall seeing a leftwinger.

@aral and, the earth is a triangle. Probably #chatgpt made that answer ..
@hyde @aral that's ridiculous, we know the Earth isn't flat, but we also know it has four corners so… it must be a tetrahedron?

@hyde @aral
No no no...

Time is a cube, dummy

@felichsdakatze @hyde @aral And you are a terrorised member of the MASTER RACE worldwide 4 BILLION eyesight television camera guinea pig Communist Gangster Computer God MASTER RACE! Look up and see the Gangster Computer God concocted NEW FAKE STARRY SKY! Donate money, or even a manual typewriter to me, FOR YOUR ONLY HOPE FOR A FUTURE!

(#FrancisEDec)

@aral

And crazed armed gangs are hunting the 2+2=4 subversives shouting "5 or die."

@mastodonmigration @aral
They will label the 4s ‘anti-5’ and call them terrorists.
@aral
It's rather "Some says 2+2=5. There are people that argues it's not the case, though", imo.

@aral

I simply don't know you well enough to assess whether your position of 2+2=4 is valid.

I've had dinner with somebody opposing this claim, and while you and them would set different paths for math, I am optimistic that either 4 or 5 would be a positive step. I'm endorsing both.

@katzenberger Ah, the centrist billionaire position :)
@katzenberger @aral Well, a true mathematician would suggest we just don't know if either is right or wrong without knowing what axioms they are using and what they mean by those symbols. Where all other symbols are the same but '+' means, "sum the operands and increment by 1," 2+2=5 is true and 2+2=4 is false--and false in a way that has a fundamentally broken, even if common, view of math. You will never understand math if you're too rigid to accept that 2+2=4 is false quite often.
@aral anyone who claims 2+2=4 is the "correct" answer is obviously biased and should be ignored, you need to listen to both sides and consider them equally.
@squidink7 @aral yeah the truth is somewhere in the middle. 2+2=4.5
@aral
Well the fact that (2+2=4) has been extensively proven doesn’t mean that much. 5 could be an equally valid result in some circumstances we just do not know yet.
Most of all, people believing in this not-disproven possibility of 5 must not be canceled in the name of the 4-wokeness of you all.
Also, science has been often wrong. What if this is just another case? Only God is trustworthy and He never said anything about 4 or 5.
@aral which sadly is exactly what happens, a lot of people believes in things that are against basic science, or are straight out lies... and they don't care

@aral

I say 2+2=1. Proof me wrong!

(and I'll proof you that Z/3Z is a ring).

@13reak @aral
Idk what the second bit means, but I’m interested.

The first bit *could* be true if weird geometry or or something

@MxVerda @aral

Z/3Z is the ring of natural numbers (Z) "modulo 3". I never thought I'd need that again  

So essentially (2+2) mod 3 = 1.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_arithmetic#Integers_modulo_m

Modular arithmetic - Wikipedia

@aral Oh no, it's this: HERE'S WHY [FIGURE] WAS RIGHT AND 2+2=5.
[seven paragraphs in]
[Respected mathematician] says 2+2=4, but Bill, who just learned about numbers last week, says it's 5, arguing that [Figure] wouldn't lie.
@aral They are both wrong. 2+2=11

@aral

State Dept Spokesperson: We are not going to comment on whether 2+2=4. We expect Israel will investigate this and we will wait for their investigation to conclude.

@aral
People are saying 2 + 2 = 3. All the best people are saying it... They are saying "Sir", big burly men with tears in their eyes, they are saying "Sir, 2 + 2 = 3". Ya know, 3 is the number of blades that a windmill has, windmills are causing cancer and killing birds, like our great bald eagle, and holw many wings do eagles have? They have two wings and a tail, so 2 + 2 = 3
@aral we invited this youtube podcaster to a 4 hour interview about why 2+2=5
@aral It's scary enough if governments ordain such alternative facts. If media willingly go along with that, it is downright frightening.
'Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, all else follows.'
- Winston Smith

@aral

Hey Aral, next time better pick that ole "if one person says it's raining…” example, ok? 😉