techcutie 
École des Bro-ArtsI am begging software projects to release programs as tarballs or plain old static binaries. I don't know what a Helm chart is. I am not installing an entire Kubernetes cluster. Docker breaks LXC and firewalls and is constantly breaking for mysterious reasons. I would rather submit myself to hours of `./configure && make && make install` frustration than try to hack through the endless hellscape of containerized deployment systems.
if you release a .deb that installs cleanly on stock debian stable I will kiss you sweetly while whispering words of affirmation into your ears
I was the sysadmin responsible for containerized cloud orchestration platforms at my job in 2003, back when it was called Apache Tomcat (TM)
Oh god this blew up and ten days later my mentions are still clogged with nerds arguing about package management. Please understand that I am neurodivergent (dumb jock fetish) and phrase all further replies in the form of #flexing and #butt pics.
qdot@aphyr I'LL MANAGE YOUR PACKAGE
(listen how was i not supposed to reply with this)
@aphyr That said I still do deeply respect your ongoing strategy of "this post is getting too much attention, time to post my ass".
Nyx Allocer@aphyr
Me as a Jock: Whatcha looking at my ass for huh? Nerd. What are you gay? Betcha you wish you could touch it don't you? Well too bad. Get your Squat up to 300 lbs and then MAYBE I'll let you get a closer look.
Me as a Jock: Whatcha looking at my ass for huh? Nerd. What are you gay? Betcha you wish you could touch it don't you? Well too bad. Get your Squat up to 300 lbs and then MAYBE I'll let you get a closer look.
Buck Moon
Eliot Lash
Hieronimus@aphyr grrrr perfect arse
toddbuddy
BoyBrave
@aphyr as always you have such a beautiful ass, so much so I feel the urge to... Ask how can I set up the snap of Firefox to interact with programs installed separately?
Oh and also bury my face in it.
BigRingBootman 
@aphyr so #1 - can I haz? And #2 - from now on I’d like to identify as neurodivergent (dumb bull in progress when meds allow 😂).
Ardyente@aphyr Bark! love your back! 😍
Owen@aphyr You joke but I have repeatedly observed that projects like knative appear _determined_ to reinvent Java EE/DCOM, which in turn reinvented CORBA, which in turn…
pfriedma
Bee O'Problem 
Zach Thomas@aphyr web.xml!
Nick Silkey 📻 N5ILK 🪓🪵 🪣💧@aphyr catalina.out! 👊
post-Gundam cryptography@aphyr this is one reason i tend to like Go projects more than i like the Go language: the deployment artifact is often one (1) statically linked binary. put it wherever.
older
Kevin Lyda
agxkink@aphyr does it need to do anything or will any package do? 😆
Martin@aphyr I'm planning to but it'll have to be on debian testing for now because the stable gtk and adwaita are too old 😅
@mkhl this is allowable and only slightly less divine :D
don Elías (como los buses) 🥨
mirabilos
chfkch 
Sharlatan@donelias @aphyr +1 and add `guix pack -f deb <package-name>` for better #reproducibility with #guix ;-)
Bonkers@aphyr with CMake' cpack, generating deb packages is a minute job. You only have to deviate from the comfortable autoconfig and explore the unknowns of CMake.
@aphyr (I don't need an affirmation kiss, I'm fine :))
Arnaud Launay@aphyr I love you and the chicken on your profile. Although, I enjoy more my chicken in a plate.
Zoe@aphyr I don't have any Linux projects but I'll start one and do this right away
Nolz@aphyr oh gosh, I miss when it was just .debs
Alex L 🕊 🇵🇸Deb packages are meant to configure an OS, they are not an application platform that third-parties can target all at the same time without interfering with each others.
With OCI containers an application platform is implemented by reusing Linux-based OSs; as a lover of Linux distributions like Debian I couldn't ask for anything better.
rain 🌦️
Deeply Asleep@aphyr I'd also settle for a .rpm
cap2142@deeplyasleep @aphyr I'm just tired of every web app developer shipping a docker-compose that includes its own copy of MySQL. "I don't understand databases lol, so just run 50 of them without monitoring or backups"
Blake@aphyr 100% this, it drives me mad everything being a container now.
Michael Darweesh ☑️@aphyr networking config for a docker container is no fun, that's for sure.
Wilfried Klaebe@mdarweesh The real fun starts with docker-compose... 😬
@aphyr I am legitimately not sure where I am more annoyed by "here is our helm chart, good luck" or "here is a single static binary for you to run (assuming your system uses the same libc as ours) (assuming you trust blobs)" (looking at you here hashicorp).
Cassandrich@dalias Given the existence of services like nss and pam, I'm not sure statically linking libc is universally a good idea either. Discovering that one program disagrees with the rest of my system about how user IDs map to user names, or about how hostnames map to addresses, is intensely frustrating.
@owen Maybe, but the vast majority of programs have no legitimate reason to even care about the idea of users.
glibc making hostnames up to nss was just a horrible mistake.
@dalias an operational reality we may disagree with remains an operational reality nonetheless.
Steven Reed@srtcd424 @owen Not really. In #musl we honor nscd for user/group db because the protocol is workable, we aim not to NIH things, and it gives custom db backend support. But not the nss hostname stuff. It lacks sufficient capability (hosts backend can't do scope ids for link local addresses) and it has broken fallback logic that doesn't treat nonexistence safely, and DNS protocol already provides a more capable way to do custom backend if needed.
Kevin Karhan 
@dalias @owen @aphyr nodds in agreement
I want stuff to be portable and reproduceable!
- And that means actually including - or at the very least declaring - ALL dependencies...
The whole #PainAndFrustration with #LinuxFromScratch, bloated #GNUtils and #GlibC constantly breaking shit (among other things) is why I started @OS1337 …