I am begging software projects to release programs as tarballs or plain old static binaries. I don't know what a Helm chart is. I am not installing an entire Kubernetes cluster. Docker breaks LXC and firewalls and is constantly breaking for mysterious reasons. I would rather submit myself to hours of `./configure && make && make install` frustration than try to hack through the endless hellscape of containerized deployment systems.
if you release a .deb that installs cleanly on stock debian stable I will kiss you sweetly while whispering words of affirmation into your ears
I was the sysadmin responsible for containerized cloud orchestration platforms at my job in 2003, back when it was called Apache Tomcat (TM)
Oh god this blew up and ten days later my mentions are still clogged with nerds arguing about package management. Please understand that I am neurodivergent (dumb jock fetish) and phrase all further replies in the form of #flexing and #butt pics.

@aphyr I'LL MANAGE YOUR PACKAGE

(listen how was i not supposed to reply with this)

@aphyr That said I still do deeply respect your ongoing strategy of "this post is getting too much attention, time to post my ass".

@qdot being the change I want to see in the world

NGL at my best I am but a pale reflection of @jenn

@aphyr @jenn Ok wait if that's the case the pics I've seen of @jenn haven't been telling the whole story

Jenn how much can you squat/deadlift/bench I'm gonna need numbers here.

@aphyr
Me as a Jock: Whatcha looking at my ass for huh? Nerd. What are you gay? Betcha you wish you could touch it don't you? Well too bad. Get your Squat up to 300 lbs and then MAYBE I'll let you get a closer look.
@aphyr I prefer flatpak 😜
@aphyr please reply to me in your preferred language. uh I mean.. protein bra? #muscle

@aphyr as always you have such a beautiful ass, so much so I feel the urge to... Ask how can I set up the snap of Firefox to interact with programs installed separately?

Oh and also bury my face in it.

@aphyr so #1 - can I haz? And #2 - from now on I’d like to identify as neurodivergent (dumb bull in progress when meds allow 😂).
@aphyr Bark! love your back! 😍
@aphyr You joke but I have repeatedly observed that projects like knative appear _determined_ to reinvent Java EE/DCOM, which in turn reinvented CORBA, which in turn…
@owen oh no I'm 100% on board with this critique haha
@aphyr The main evolution appears to be what concerns get placed on either side of the developer/administrator line, and honestly, there is some useful insight into changes in organizational norms there.
@aphyr
This post is an act of .war
@pfriedma psychic splash damage to every admin over 35 😆
@pfriedma @aphyr god, I wasn't an admin but did touch on Tomcat in school and deploying was a weird inconsistent nightmare
@aphyr this is one reason i tend to like Go projects more than i like the Go language: the deployment artifact is often one (1) statically linked binary. put it wherever.
@vyr
kubectl and helm are good examples.
@aphyr
@older @vyr @aphyr so is docker! #helping
@aphyr @older @lyda see, they don't like their thing enough to use their thing to deploy itself
@aphyr does it need to do anything or will any package do? 😆
@aphyr I'm planning to but it'll have to be on debian testing for now because the stable gtk and adwaita are too old 😅
@mkhl this is allowable and only slightly less divine :D
@aphyr with CMake' cpack, generating deb packages is a minute job. You only have to deviate from the comfortable autoconfig and explore the unknowns of CMake.
@aphyr (I don't need an affirmation kiss, I'm fine :))
@aphyr I love you and the chicken on your profile. Although, I enjoy more my chicken in a plate.
@aphyr I don't have any Linux projects but I'll start one and do this right away
@aphyr oh gosh, I miss when it was just .debs

@aphyr

Deb packages are meant to configure an OS, they are not an application platform that third-parties can target all at the same time without interfering with each others.

With OCI containers an application platform is implemented by reusing Linux-based OSs; as a lover of Linux distributions like Debian I couldn't ask for anything better.

@alxlg @aphyr I think it is not great when basic things like strace don't work, and there needs to be a very good justification for breaking them. Sometimes there is but often it's just "sorry shipping a binary built in Node is too hard"

@rain @aphyr

Compare OCI containers with other *application platforms* like Android's, Snap by Canonical etc.

@aphyr I'd also settle for a .rpm
@deeplyasleep @aphyr I'm just tired of every web app developer shipping a docker-compose that includes its own copy of MySQL. "I don't understand databases lol, so just run 50 of them without monitoring or backups"