@job you've misconstrued the overall plan to topple Russia via the Summer/Autumn invasion of Moscow with the diversion of its original armoured divisions, which were rerouted to take Minsk and then attempt control over the Caucus oil fields. They are related but not so easily simplified in purpose or outcomes.

Still no one mentioned Stalingrad, and I should hope that everyone understands that this horrific meat grinder was the true tipping point which marks the fall of the Third Reich; not the varying levels of competence in middle management, not the Wannsee Conference decision makers, not the focus on stealing Jewish gold to pay for post-war exfiltration transit to South America via the corrupt actions of the Vatican's "Rat Lines"... no, no.

Those were all contributory but it was the near-total destruction of the Wehrmacht eastern divisions (exacerbated by Göring's inability to deliver the Luftwaffe logistical promises for supply lines to ground forces) which occurred in Stalingrad. All because of the name of the city, not for any other reason than Hitler wanting to snub his nose at Stalin - the other dictator who threw his country's population into death and torture and mass murder by the millions. If Stalingrad had not been engaged, the Nazis would not have lost.

But did they really lose? Is anyone wanting to discuss USA's Operation Paperclip, or of Herr Galen being in charge of West Germany's version of our CIA - put into place by the Allied Forces after the war? Or maybe of the shadow government of America ruled by the Dulles Brothers who worked directly with former Nazi command to staff the opposition to communism in East Germany post-ww2...

> the Gehlen Organization. This organization, established in June 1946, was headed by Reinhard Gehlen, a former Wehrmacht Major General and head of Nazi German military intelligence on the Eastern Front during World War II. Gehlen recruited former SS and Wehrmacht officers to form the Gehlen Organization, which worked closely with the CIA from its founding.

It was not just about oil. It was not about Jews, or persecution of dissidents, or the original tenants of the NSDAP ideology, it was not a catch phrase capable sequence of events which originated an entire century prior to the events of that war.

Everyone wants a simple analogy from WW2 to modern times, but there isn't one. Stop focusing on the Nazis from WW2 - no one learned a damn thing from it so it's not a useful source of simple truths.

But if you must, if you have to summarize anything.. it's that the war never ended. We are still fighting and we can never stop. Peaceful existence on a global scale is a lovely dream, but it is impossible.

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