#AaronSwartz killed himself because he scraped research data and they aggressively prosecuted him.

Now #AI companies say they should scrape our data for free.

@benroyce @blogdiva He was harassed and aggressively prosecuted for doing something that was probably legal, meanwhile, we know what AI scrapers are doing is illegal, and we just let it happen because they have the money.

@ramsey @benroyce @blogdiva

Ask a lawyer what the remedy is, and for whom, and whether a successful civil case is possible.

@benroyce wow I only remember learning some things about this guy, mostly about Reddit I think. I didn't know that he contributed to markdown and rss.
@benroyce You mean not-so-public Internet, of course? Because that's where money lies.

@vintprox

they took something open and decentralized and walled it off to not so much sell to us, but to sell us

it's like building a cool bar next to the free fountain and piping the water into the bar, and saying "why use the free fountain when the bar is 'free' too, but access means we get all of the intimate details of your life in exchange for a drink"

@benroyce Copyright is overreaching :-(. Hopefully that is solved one day.

@pavel

that's a good topic

copyright as a tool of capitalism is a failure

but we also don't want actual artists exploited without benefit

how do we reach a middle ground?

@pavel @benroyce if copyrights were free there’s be no money in stealing them to sell to someone else. Microsoft has ruined people’s lives for the temerity of calling out Microsoft’s IP theft.
@benroyce j'avoue cette comparaison me brise le cœur
@Tacitus tel est le système des abus. il abandonnera la raison et la moralité. pour $$$

@benroyce

All my open-source applications are published under the "permissive" *MIT* License... How ironic, somehow!

https://capitalaspower.com/2019/12/the-legacy-of-aaron-swartz-the-fight-for-open-access/

#opensource #openaccess #mit #aaronswartz

The Legacy of Aaron Swartz: The Fight for Open Access – Capital As Power

Originally published on Economics from the Top Down Blair Fix Over the past few weeks, I’ve been thinking a lot about Aaron Swartz. Swartz was an internet pioneer who, in his teens and early 20s, made huge contributions to computer culture. Among other things, Swartz helped develop RSS (which organizes web feeds), Markdown (a simple […]

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@benroyce AI is like Aaron Swartz, got it.

@frank_w

both whaling boats and whale watching boats head toward pods of whales, and are alike in this way

but after that, things are, uh, how shall we say, rather different in goals and outcome

@benroyce Swartz’s activism and AI both provide free, easy, and open access to information. Both seek empowerment through technology. Both challenge traditional gatekeepers. Both lead to the broader dissemination of knowledge. It’s tired and boring to assume AI is wrong and bad when billions benefit from it every day.

@[email protected]

oh boy

#AI is useless shit. it's essentially the same as #crypto: hype but the substance is less genuine #tech advance and more a certain class of #techbro buying in on enthusiasm, the only difference being the mark for the con job is #FAANG rather than sad randos playing a casino

AI is going the way of 3D TV

Also

"Swartz’s activism and AI both provide free, easy, and open access to information" is some of the dumbest shit I read in awhile

Bye

@benroyce Hello, when will AI die out then?
@benroyce I love that these types can’t go one reply without being rude and insulting.
@frank_w @benroyce the best way to avoid contempt is to not say things that are objectively contemptible

@silverfish https://defcon.social/@frank_w/112819737363381002

This is what I said. You believe it's right to hate and abuse people who think this way?

Frank (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Swartz’s activism and AI both provide free, easy, and open access to information. Both seek empowerment through technology. Both challenge traditional gatekeepers. Both lead to the broader dissemination of knowledge. It’s tired and boring to assume AI is wrong and bad when billions benefit from it every day.

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@frank_w your characterization of unverifiable AI slop as "information" is contemptible
@frank_w to promote it is a form of abuse and it is epistemically correct to hate people, and ethically correct to ostracize people, who do so

please resile from this nonsense and maybe you'll eventually stop waiving your inherent value as a human being

@benroyce @frank_w We use it at work and my take on it for my tasks is that it's moderately useful for some jobs but really bad in a lot of examples.

That's it. It's moderately useful. Sometimes.

When I'm working on my personal projects I don't use it and I haven't missed it.

@zalasur @benroyce I think you would be genuinely surprised how much AI is in your life. I have a friend who works in bio engineering and uses it to analyze DNA. This information finds its way into our medicines.

@frank_w
“AI” is in my life sinice I've started playing OG Doom, but I don't run around saying it's everywhere.

@zalasur @benroyce

@benroyce @frank_w Wasn't AI invented for the sole purpose of making 3D TV great again?
@szescstopni I'm starting to see a pattern of lame jokes, fundamental misunderstanding of computer science, and then rage blocking after being called out. Let's skip to the interesting part, or stop @-ing me.
@frank_w @szescstopni and yet you’re the one conflating ML with LLM.
@theothersimo Large language models are **literally** a specific application of machine learning. Both are incredibly useful despite the hysteria. #AI is the broadest concept, which is why it is beyond stupid to call it useless.

@benroyce

It's worth noting that JSTOR was opposed to the prosecution.

It was US Attorney Carmen Ortez and Assistant USAtt Stephen Heymann that decided to prosecute him after the State charges were dropped.

A gross abuse of prosecutorial discretion.

@benroyce All for collectively nominating him as an Internet folk saint, say aye!

RIP to the internet's own boy...

@benroyce R.I.P. Aaron. You are still missed by many more than you ever knew.
Gone way too soon. 😢