David Gerardyeah so microsoft just fucking lied about not forcing copilot, cos of course they did https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-10-gets-copilot-as-part-of-mandatory-update
Michael@davidgerard It'll be interesting to see A: How long it takes for someone to work out how to remove it, and B: For the EU to kick Microsoft right in the proverbials.
David Lejeune@TacticalGrace_ it's literally just an Uninstall in Add/Remove programs.
Stephen Farrugia@davidgerard yeah, and my fucken windows machine runs like it has been kneecapped
PhDog 🇮🇪@davidgerard
I shouldn't laugh but they couldn't have telegraphed that more clearly if they had been Mr. Morse himself.
I shouldn't laugh but they couldn't have telegraphed that more clearly if they had been Mr. Morse himself.
Chris Combs (he/him)> Copilot also doesn’t require many PC resources, with the app just needing 4 GB of RAM
lmaoooooo (not laughing)
Andrew@combs @davidgerard I enjoyed how this was presented as a bad thing because it meant more people would have to put up with it
🌿Mouse-Friend🌿@combs @davidgerard Ex-fucking-SCUSE US???? In what world is 4gb of RAM not a lot???? What the fuck???
m0xEE@davidgerard
I only have one Windows machine and I've been postponing updates on it for months now. It was rather long ago and I started wondering: why am I even doing this? Thanks for reminding me! 😄
I only have one Windows machine and I've been postponing updates on it for months now. It was rather long ago and I started wondering: why am I even doing this? Thanks for reminding me! 😄
Tim Lavoie@m0xee @davidgerard
I have one, a corporate machine for work. I also have better laptops, both in hardware and OS terms, so the crappy corp build gets booted exactly once every three months.
(Guess how long the password reset period is?)
_Pear 
@davidgerard yeah noticed the app in my toolbar after unexpected updates yesterday.
uninstalled it immediately which I was surprised is an option but I didnt investigate to see what if anything was actually removed.
uninstalled it immediately which I was surprised is an option but I didnt investigate to see what if anything was actually removed.
Eric's Edge@davidgerard
That’s it. I was going to continue with W10 until the end. It is now the end. Next up Linux Mint Debian Edition. I’ll boot into W10 to stream until I can replace my Elgato crap capture card.
That’s it. I was going to continue with W10 until the end. It is now the end. Next up Linux Mint Debian Edition. I’ll boot into W10 to stream until I can replace my Elgato crap capture card.
Billy SmithTry Devuan.
It's Debian without systemd.
Poettering, who pushed for systemd, now works for MS.
C.S.StrowbridgeIf Copilot was any good, they wouldn't need to force people to install it.
Chip@davidgerard Microsoft is its own best advocate for people to pirate Windows 10 LTSC, if Linux is out of the question.
@davidgerard might as well tap this sign again https://hci.social/@fasterandworse/112599644846417597
Stephen Farrugia (@[email protected])
we're gonna benchmark our computers with the fps we get in the notes app
JP
Deus Ex: Desperate - Your turn.webm
@davidgerard they'll probably try to spin it as like gosh our chatbot is SO popular people are clambering for us to (nonconsensually) make it more widely available, so who are we to deny them that?
eighthourlunch@davidgerard Honestly, is there anything left that hasn't turned 100% to shit yet?
[object Object]@davidgerard huh, it might be time to rework my desktop from Linux running a windows 10 gaming VM to just doing everything natively with Proton
Reilly Spitzfaden (they/them)@davidgerard I had to switch to Mac because I needed Logic Pro. I've second-guessed that decision from time to time, but at this point even with Apple being control freaks, it's still easier to get a Mac to do the things I want with how much garbage Microsoft is forcing on people.
I would go whole hog and switch to Linux, but unfortunately I need some software that won't run on it
Michael Labowicz@reillypascal @davidgerard you'd be surprised what software runs on Linux these days...
@mlabowicz @reillypascal yeah and sometimes what software doesn't. e.g. office 365 full version is still a blocker for the kid. (yes they actually prefer LO, but sometimes they really do require O365.) they're very pleased games aren't gonna be a blocker tho.
Psittacus cafeina@davidgerard @mlabowicz @reillypascal
What do they need MS Office for, if you don't mind the question?
EDIT: No suggestions incoming, just wondering what schools are demanding these days.
@caffetiel @mlabowicz @reillypascal yeah, school, the ICT course goes from Python coding to extreme O365 and is very specific on the full version of O365. but yes even the teacher recommends LO for real work lol
trouble is O365 seems to be the sticking point cos it doesn't run in Wine well enough
@mlabowicz I specifically need Max/MSP and either Finale or Dorico for music notation. I've used Pd (similar to Max) but I really don't like the UX. MuseScore and LilyPond seem to be the only option for music notation. MuseScore is really not feasible for making scores look professional, and I don't like the LilyPond workflow. Looks like the only good option is to use WINE, and I don't want to risk running live concert audio on Max through WINE.
@reillypascal makes sense, agree with not relying on wine for production use. You could dual boot for that usage though
SMHS@davidgerard ...anyone need a hand installing linux, you are welcome to bother me.
ShadSterling@smhs @davidgerard I know just enough to be dangerous, and I’ve never been able to figure out how to choose a distro for desktop use. I’m using at least 5 different ones for various headless purposes, but every time I’ve looked at the options for desktop Linux I can’t even figure out which sets of problems I’d be choosing between much less which set of problems I’d rather put up with. It leaves me with no idea how to plan to buy a Linux laptop
@ShadSterling @smhs honestly just start somewhere. Mint is probably inoffensive. or just plain Ubuntu or Xubuntu.
most run off a USB stick so you can try out desktops and see if any particularly appeal or annoy.
a usb stick is also useful cos you can check it supports all your hardware. linux hardware support is extremely good these days, but it's always nice to check.
@ShadSterling @smhs oh yeah and definitely get an AMD video card, Nvidia has bursts of actively hostility to Linux but AMD are really good at making sure their stuff is supported
@davidgerard @ShadSterling Yes, AMD all the way. I personally would say CPU too. You can play CP77 on a Ryzen 7 5700g and no videocard at all.
@smhs @ShadSterling a cheap ex-corporate business laptop off eBay but with an AMD chip gives you a nice setup that works quite well if you check compat
@davidgerard @smhs that sounds a whole lot more time consuming than making my next laptop one that has about the same specs as I’d get without switching but comes Linux. Learning all the GUI quirks would be time consuming enough, but returning to the bad old days of hoping not to have driver issues and having to figure out what to do with incompatible hw, and aftermarket upgrading the storage, and…
Sure, it’s more flexible, but more yaks than I can shave
Sure, it’s more flexible, but more yaks than I can shave
@ShadSterling @smhs that's fair, but i can tell you it's way better these days and mostly shit just works
@ShadSterling @davidgerard Almost any iron can handle Linux or more like the other way around, even winsh*t preinstalled is okay, just remove it.
I tried a lot of distros before settling on Ubuntu - because I was sure the popularity will grant ways to fix things, as in, it is discussed a lot on forums. ...and is practically Debian, a popular "friendly" one. I just removed all the cr4p from it. If I restarted I would go with Arch but as a start start, Mint, indeed is a good choice.
I tried a lot of distros before settling on Ubuntu - because I was sure the popularity will grant ways to fix things, as in, it is discussed a lot on forums. ...and is practically Debian, a popular "friendly" one. I just removed all the cr4p from it. If I restarted I would go with Arch but as a start start, Mint, indeed is a good choice.
@smhs @davidgerard one thing I want is a way to get informed about which sets of problems I’d have to put up with from each distro without having to try a lot of them like you did. (Eg preinstalling a bunch of crap I’d have to remove vs less popular and harder to search for solutions.) I want to be confident that I can buy a Linux laptop and just use it, without having to worry that I’ll find problems later that require replacing it or switching distros
@smhs @davidgerard 20 years ago I would have thought it was fun to get a bunch of cheap computers and try a different distro on each of them, but I did that kind of thing enough and now I don’t want to go back to it. In the past I’ve found a few sites that try to collect and make usable some info about which distros have which problems, but the gaps never came close to lining up with things I don’t care about. I hope next time I look they’ve improved
@ShadSterling @davidgerard A strange mix of comments from you... you say you are able to install different distros and then you say you'd have to replace a laptop cause of ...problems? ...what? It seems like you already know about these things - are you trolling with us?
Linux Mint is great for starters. Forget driver and GUI issues, all I did with my printer is plug it in. Don't try to undermine something that works. Microsoft is horrible. Ignore big corp. Love. Peace. I'm out. +
Linux Mint is great for starters. Forget driver and GUI issues, all I did with my printer is plug it in. Don't try to undermine something that works. Microsoft is horrible. Ignore big corp. Love. Peace. I'm out. +
@smhs @davidgerard the distros I’m using are on cloud VMs; I didn’t install (or choose) the distro, and they’re not on my own hardware. While compatibility has improved, my feeds and search results are pretty clear that to reliably avoid having to replace hw to resolve driver problems I’d have to buy hw that comes with Linux preinstalled. Which is fine, I want to switch with my next new laptop anyway, but having to switch distros wouldn’t be about hw
@smhs @davidgerard having to switch distros after switching to Linux would be about problems more like these: https://mastodon.social/@mcc/112797528879185884
RinostarGames@davidgerard Great, just turned off updates.
FoolishOwl@davidgerard Far from the worst part, but this is ridiculous:
'Copilot also doesn’t require many PC resources, with the app just needing 4 GB of RAM and a 720p display.'
I've never heard of an app needing that much RAM.
abadidea@foolishowl @davidgerard I think they mean that the system, as a whole, needs 4GB, not that the app allocates 4GB at startup
Jax UKI only use my desktop for gaming, it’s on windows 10. I am now determined to switch to Linux…..can anyone recommend best version for gaming on a Ryzen 5 build? Will be building a new rig at some point when I can afford it but for now this will have to do 😭
@JaxVent @davidgerard I'd research the negatives, but Ubuntu is pretty accessible and using Steam with proton is hassle free 90% of the time.
@JaxVent @davidgerard btw, you can search for what games you'll want to play on https://www.protondb.com/ You can scroll down to the comments and see what builds people have and what they say about performance. There's a lot of Ryzens. I'm also running on a Ryzen 5.
Thats great thanks, will check it out :)
A.V. Heiro@JaxVent @davidgerard AMD stuff is well supported out of the box on linux because there are open source drivers. https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ is a good bet, it's just ubuntu with some different defaults. You can try a dry run installing it in https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads to get a little more comfortable.
@JaxVent @davidgerard I think Steam used to use Ubuntu as its basis for Proton, the emulation layer it uses.
So you'll probably have good results with Ubuntu, or Debian (which Ubuntu is based on), or Linux Mint. Personally I use Debian, and most games I try on Steam work fine on it.
But most of the "user friendly" Linux distros are used a lot by gamers, so probably any popular Linux distro would be fine.
@davidgerard year of the Linux desktop approaches...
pafurijaz@davidgerard But it's obvious that it's more useful to them and CIA than to the users, otherwise they wouldn't force you to install it, because if I decide that I don't need it, why do I have to install?
it's part of that ongoing hybrid war, in China it's still the most used OS today, the problem is that I don't understand why companies that use Windows for work don't rebel.
But this period will also end, like others.
@davidgerard I was able to just uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs after it showed up.
Kay Ohtie 🔜 FWA@davidgerard wtf, article lists a KB but it's not even installed, I'm not even in preview mode, and the fucker still showed up today.
Oliver Jensen@davidgerard
> This required update is a part of Microsoft’s push to deliver the AI experience to most of its users, especially as Windows 11 still hasn’t taken the majority market share for the Windows operating system.
"If we can't get people to migrate to windows 11, we will migrate windows 11 to the people."
MegatronicThronBanks@davidgerard
This is why I really like Winaero Tweaker. You can turn off updates.
This is why I really like Winaero Tweaker. You can turn off updates.
wanderingmagus@davidgerard yet more reason t9 switch to Linux!