Peter GleickThis pains me no end after a lifetime of subscribing, but the @nytimes has lost its way at a time when the need for exemplary journalism is at its greatest.
Christian Schwägerl@petergleick All NYT did was asking for a candidate with an above zero chance to defeat Trump and stop him from destroying US democracy. You are shooting the messenger here.
@petergleick And btw, the fact that they are publishing this knowing they will loose subscribers like you but not win a single Maga guy – kind of speaks against the whole “just for cynical business” myth…
excited for the mastodon rise@christianschwaegerl @petergleick
NYT has had a consistent oligarch propaganda narrative for years, and they not only don't apologize for it they double down every time they're called it.
They cheerled on iraq BS and led on bullshit about WMDs.
They kept front-paging obvious conservative bullshit about Hillary.
They won't shut up about rural conservatives but they won't talk to people of color about who THEY support.
They're oligarch propaganda.
@qkslvrwolf @petergleick Who are the "oligarchs" in the Biden case supposed to be? Not the millions of Democratic supporters who, like the Editorial Board, are desperate about the candidate’s slim chances after his recent performance? The NYT board clearly wants Trump defeated. The paper has reported extensively on the dangers he presents. They gave Biden the benefit of the doubt until the debate, but it would be irresponsible for such a board if they kept quiet and watched Trump win.
@christianschwaegerl sure doesn't seen like they want trump beat to me, just like they didn't with "but her emails".
The narrative they push is told by what they repeat over and over.
And the oligarchs are every fucking billionaire on the planet, starting with the Saudis, the Russians, the mercers, koch, musk, and thirl.
The nyt owners wanna be part of the club.
@qkslvrwolf There’s a lot to criticise about past reporting decisions. But the way you describe it sounds like a mirror of Maga conspiracy myths.
@christianschwaegerl and the way you gloss over the repeated, extremely important, and intentional leadership of the nyt in misleading the country sounds like magat cultishness.
@qkslvrwolf Imho misleading here comes from Team Biden which pretended it‘s all fine and there‘s no need for a younger candidate.
@christianschwaegerl which is 100% true, it IS all fine.
Biden is the best president of my life and it's not even close. I do not give a fuck about his age.
I was a Warren man and was sick when Biden got the nod, but he has shown up and been great.
Granted, best president starting with Reagan's a low bar but Biden has raised it substantially.
@qkslvrwolf Sure, but Biden throws away the legacy of his lifetime in fall when his stubborn candidacy will have rolled out the red carpet for the Trump autocracy.
@christianschwaegerl 🙄 what pure, unadulterated bullshit. Get over yourself.
@qkslvrwolf I hand the mic to Thomas Friedman, a *personal friend* of Biden:
“If that is the best performance they could summon from him, he should preserve his dignity and leave the stage at the end of this term.
If he does, everyday Americans will hail Joe Biden for doing what Trump would never do: put the country before himself.
If he insists on running and he loses to Trump, Biden and his family — and his staff and party members who enabled him — will not be able to show their faces.”
“If that is the best performance they could summon from him, he should preserve his dignity and leave the stage at the end of this term.
If he does, everyday Americans will hail Joe Biden for doing what Trump would never do: put the country before himself.
If he insists on running and he loses to Trump, Biden and his family — and his staff and party members who enabled him — will not be able to show their faces.”
@christianschwaegerl ah yes, the great mind who gave us the Friedman unit in his endless Iraq war cheerleading. Truly, a telling blow. 🙄
Like literally the opposite of anything Friedman says is the best bet.
Ariaflame@christianschwaegerl @qkslvrwolf @petergleick His polls went up after the debate. So he's not the hottest debater. So what? It's not a common task the President is called upon to do. Do you hire your workers by asking them to do interpretive dance?
@ariaflame @qkslvrwolf @petergleick Any political leader needs to think, react, act fast on any given number of pressing and long-term problems, be fully at night within seconds when sth bad happens and so on. The office IS a daily performance and a necessary show of strength. Most people at Biden’s age will focus on stuff like arthritis in their shoulder. Waking up at 85 and have all of the world’s problems and pains on your shoulders – it’s simply too much and we’ve all seen it on display.
@christianschwaegerl oh give me a break. You're seeing what you wanted to see.
Biden's skill at the job is present in the epic list of accomplishments this administration has had. Which I doubt you're even aware of.
@qkslvrwolf He deserves a lot of respect and I have followed his many accomplishments. But anyone with a parent blessed to get to 82 or 85 knows that that’s not the age bracket for a tough fight with a political beast and then one of the most demanding jobs on Earth.
@christianschwaegerl My grandad lived to 98 and was perfectly capable until 95 and lucid until he got covid and died.
Not everyone ages the same way. Replacing Biden would be really, really fucking stupid.
And none of you people have a plan that doesn't involve a cluster-fuck convention that loses the confidence of everyone.
Ain't happening. And the the conversation is a waste of time. So, bye.
@qkslvrwolf Curious to see how you will interpret this Editorial Board statement as a pro-Trump article https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/30/opinion/editorials/kamala-harris-2024.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ok4.z2Lq.AEOqb6sNAG8N&smid=url-share
@christianschwaegerl christian schwaegirl muted for a #nyt link
Tom Bellin 
@christianschwaegerl @petergleick See there's really two possibilities here:
1) the NYT editorial board are political neophytes and have no idea how political campaigns are run nor how candidates are selected.
or
2) the NYT wants Trump to win.
Take your pick.
@tob @petergleick Both options are wrong. The public was lied to about Biden’s state by his entourage. People (and the NYT Editorial Board) gave Biden the benefit of doubt. Then, in the first unscripted confrontation, he falls apart, fails at exposing Trump and comes across as weak and confused. These images now define him. Dem’s choice simply is to either find a new candidate or hand over the keys to the White House to Trump. NYT’s article is nothing less than a distress call.
@christianschwaegerl @petergleick "These images now define him?"
Only in your fantasies.
No one watched the debate except partisans and wonks.
IMO, the only lasting effect of Thursday's pointless farce is that the bar is now set incredibly low for Biden.
Of course Biden will not drop out. He will win the nomination. The Dem convention will be a joyous celebration of Biden/Harris. Capped off with a great speech by the nominee.
The NYT Ed. Board will give him their full-throated endorsement.
@christianschwaegerl @petergleick It's all so stupid. The NYT Ed Board pretending that anything that happened during the debate mattered *AND* also pretending that their opinion matters for anything.
Biden is going to ignore them. Just as Trump already does.
America's political press can no longer claim to have any relevance.
They could matter. The 4th estate has incredible power in a democracy. But they long ago chose to play the kayfabe referee.
@tob @petergleick I always thought it’s Maga people who live in a DIY alternative reality. Hard to argue with your wishful thinking. This has been broadcast allover the world and is a leading topic in Europe. Offering an ailing man with (totally normal but steep) age-related decline to lead in times of crisis is akin to a suicide mission. Biden’s problems can only get worse. Proposing he steers the West at an age when children try to convince their parents to stop driving cars is simply crazy.
@christianschwaegerl @petergleick Everyone's problems can only get worse. He's "steering the West" now.
Are you calling for him to resign the Presidency?
@tob @petergleick I’m calling for nothing but live in a part of the world that heavily depends on what happens in the US. If Trump wins, rise of global far-right will continue, climate goals become unreachable and much more. So I hope for candidate who can defeat Trump. That candidate is 100% not Joe Biden. He deserves a lot of respect. But there’s a time for every leader to hand over power – but please to one of the many capable Democratic politicians. If it’s Trump, Biden’s legacy will implode
@christianschwaegerl @petergleick since you don't live in America, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just tell you that you are wrong to say (As you have said repeatedly) that Biden can't beat Trump.
Biden is very well positioned to win in November. Which is 3 months from now.
Take a deep breath. Look at a calendar. Pace yourself.
@tob @petergleick I’ll bookmark this, let’s talk again after election day.
@christianschwaegerl @petergleick lol. So I suppose I'll only hear from you if your 50-50 bet turns out right.
@tob @petergleick No, I’ve put it in my calendar. If Biden wins, we can rejoice. If Trump wins, it will be your fault.