Jan Wildeboer 😷
I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. 2014 Russia invaded and occupied Crimea and some folks told us to let them have it so there will be peace. A few years later they invade again and now these same folks (and even more, because now it suddenly IS a war) say the same thing. “Let Russia have it so we can have peace”. Russia wants all of Ukraine and then even more. Why do so many people not understand this?
Jun 15, 2024 at 11:17amWeb
Show threadCodeByJeffJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer who doesn't understand this?

Who is saying, "Let them have it"?

You read different newspapers and posts than I do

Show threadJan Wildeboer 😷Jun 15, 2024
@codebyjeff I definitely seem to do.
Show threadWoefdramJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer @codebyjeff I guess I'm reading the same newspapers then. And so do many of my friends.

Letting Ukraine give up whatever Putin claims, seems to be the best solution to end the war, according to many.

I disagree, btw. Strongly.

Show threadDave BartkowiakJun 15, 2024
@codebyjeff @jwildeboer many Americans say this.
Show threadOne Solution : RevolutionJun 16, 2024

@treetreed @codebyjeff @jwildeboer

"let russia have it so there can be peace" appeasement, choosing not to understand that Putin wants all of Ukraine, is necessary because to admit it means they would build a neural pathway to acknowledge that what Israel wants is all of Palestine - and then even more.

but they can't let themselves say it

Show threadBelastendJun 15, 2024
@codebyjeff @jwildeboer
22% of Germans elected parties which touted that slogan. "Let then have it, Ukraine is the real warmonger."
Show threadcohomology is FUN!Jun 15, 2024
@codebyjeff @jwildeboer have you ever heard of Tucker Carlson?
Show threadJørnJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer And when you remind them of the history, they answer with “yeah but it’s mainly Russians and Ukrainians sympathetic to Russia living there anyway”. Conveniently forgetting why that is.

Just like there weren’t that many Jews in Europe anyway during WW2?

Show threadDCoder 🇱🇹❤🇺🇦Jun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer
We really need to retire Hanlon and his rusty old “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity” razor.
The people pushing this “appeasing russia will bring peace” poison are not clueless, they know full well what they are doing.
Show threadJayJun 15, 2024

@dcoderlt @jwildeboer The key word is “adequately”. The person who routinely, aggressively, with a singular focus that either doesn’t respond to criticism or argues against it in bad faith, promotes “anti-war” rhetoric that depends on Ukraine losing its own territory is not being used; the person who repeats these bad faith arguments amidst a slew of other attitudes that are generally anti-war IS being used.

We should not retire tools that remain useful.

Show threadMeercat ✅ 
Jun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer I don’t get it either. It seems so obvious. Besides, that’s exactly how it unraveled with Hitler as well. It wasn’t even in distant past
Show threadAlexanderJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer

Genocidal dictators can have a little more stolen land, as a treat

:(

Show threadWoefdramJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer When Hitler was allowed to annex Sudetenland, there would be "peace for our time".

Didn't exactly work out like that though.

Show threadSearge Jun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer the the stupidest thing is that russians have been living in constant war and armed conflicts since 1991. Always looking for someone to cause trouble. Even when they are not attacking their neighbors, they go to fight in other countries, like Syria.
Show threadel Celio 🇪🇺 🇺🇦Jun 15, 2024
@Searge @jwildeboer
Show threadMessagingMattersJun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer Reminiscent of 1938-39.
Show threadYusuf ToropovJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer

It is a current MAGA talking point that "#Russia wants peace." Or: "Russia wants a #ceasefire." Each phrase translates as "I am an asset of the #Kremlin."

Saying Putin wants a ceasefire is like saying Hitler wanted peace in Poland in 1939. Sure he does...

If #Putin "wants peace" in #Ukraine, he could have it today.

How? by GETTING EVERY FUCKING RUSSIAN BOOT, TANK, AIRCRAFT AND DRONE OUT OF THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. Then there would be peace.

If he wants that, let him prove it.

Show threadGatekeeper..Jun 16, 2024
@YusufToropov @jwildeboer
When Putin pays 850 Billion in damages, we'll talk.
Show threadAlexandre Oliva (moved to @[email protected])Jun 15, 2024
russia and usnato both want ukraine. I'm curious, what makes one's wants legitimate and reasonable, but not the other's?
Show threadliberJun 15, 2024

@lxo @jwildeboer
Noone can be this fucking stupid. So, I'm guessing troll.

Nevertheless, on the off-chance this is genuine:
- Russia inviting Ukraine to join BRICS would be legitimate and reasonable. Same as NATO inviting them to join. Or the EU.
- Russia sending tanks in a neighboring country is neither legitimate, nor reasonable. Acts of war seldom are.

It's not the desire to improve their world standing that separates Russia and the west. It's the means they're using to obtain it.

Show threadPuddleOfKittensJun 16, 2024
@lxo @jwildeboer Saying "NATO wants Ukraine" is ass-backwards. Ukraine wants NATO. Ukraine's fate should be decided by *Ukraine*. What NATO and Russia want is irrelevant, Ukraine is a sovereign country.
Show threadAlexandre Oliva (moved to @[email protected])Jun 16, 2024
that may be the case now, but history shows usnato has long been pulling ukraine away from russia and into nato, and there have been fake treaties, pressure and finally a provoked proxy war that forces their hand
Show threadenoch_exe_incJun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer Because few people think critically about what agendas are being served in the news they read, even fewer people understand the history of any particular armed conflict, and fewer still seem to have any understanding of history at all.
Show threadenoch_exe_incJun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer People who are in favour of giving Putin what he wants are doing #appeasement, which was Britain’s (and much of the world’s) official policy towards the Nazis prior to WWII. And spoilers for people reading in 1939: appeasement didn’t work. In fact, it never could’ve worked. If the native peoples of everywhere that was colonised just gave the invaders their land, there would be no native peoples left anywhere.
Show threadBrian GrinterJun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer @timrichards Russia wanted piece, not peace
Show threadAlexsandraSmartJun 15, 2024

@bgrinter @jwildeboer @timrichards
A little piece of Türkiye, a little piece of Greece,
Just hand over Moldova, then the war will cease,

I'll be wanting Poland, and Belarus is mine,
Don't need to have Jamaica, just Cuba will be fine,

Some pieces that are Slovak, some pieces that are Czech,
All my former Baltic states, and Finland, what the heck,

I'm feeling I want Hungary, and also Kazakhstan,
And Uzbek, Kyrgyz, Tajik, all the way into Iran...

https://youtu.be/G8AHPsyNG_k

A little piece of Poland

YouTube
Show threadPirateRoJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer crimea should have triggered a full western response. I said so then.

I also asked why Putin was still walking around still alive. I still ask this question.

Show threadDavid MooneyJun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer Quite often the same people who spent the 90s and 00s lecturing us about Neville Chamberlain in Munich.
Show threadJ.Sʜᴀʀᴘ🌍🇺🇦Fʀᴇᴇᴅᴏᴍ&DᴇᴍᴏᴄʀᴀᴄʏJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer

I certainly do, and you put it quite well.

Show thread7leaguebootdisk𓅽Jun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer I can't think of a case where the aggressor was in the right.
Show threadMister Moo 🐮Jun 15, 2024
@jwildeboer Ask Neville Chamberlain.
Show threadBen AvelingJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer
> Russia wants all of Ukraine and then even more. Why do so many people not understand this?

Spoiler: they do understand this.

Show threadSlipJun 15, 2024

@jwildeboer once upon a time hitler wanted czechoslovakia and we let him take it and Europe became peaceful and lived happily ever after

Wait, sorry, that's not how the story goes

Show threadNazaniJun 16, 2024
@jwildeboer
5 other countries besides Russia & Ukraine border the Black Sea; at the very least Russia wants to make trade harder for them.
Show threadSteve's PlaceJun 16, 2024
@jwildeboer It's probably a product of #Russian money to influencers, politicians, and media owners, spread thickly.
Show threadmiaJun 16, 2024
@jwildeboer “Let Hitler have Czechoslovakia, so we can have peace.” History repeats itself, and those who don’t learn from it are doomed to repeat it…
Show threadElon Muksis 🇺🇦 🇵🇸 🇪🇺Jun 16, 2024
@jwildeboer Nazis only wanted Poland...
Show threadBaron VonskinnbackJun 16, 2024
@jwildeboer these would have been the same people that would have told us all to appease Hitler...
Show threadParade du Grotesque 💀Jun 16, 2024

@jwildeboer

They do not understand it, because a man is deaf, mute, and blind when his livelihood depends on it.

In other words, they are paid by Russia.

Show threadHoi_Pollois🌻Jun 17, 2024

@jwildeboer It's like when my mother-in-law's brother hit her and she cried to her mother and her mother said, "If you wouldn't cry, he wouldn't hit you."

If you wouldn't resist Russia, it would not have to invade. / `~`

This is really abusive, blame-the-victim, messed up logic.