Federico Viticci 

Ahead of WWDC, I migrated all my personal passwords (~500 items) from 1Password to iCloud Keychain. I finally did it.

...and it's been mostly flawless? And I don't have weird autofill errors in Safari anymore? And this thing actually works?

I hope Apple announces a Password app on Monday, with support for secure attachments too. I'm ready.

Jun 8, 2024 at 9:31amWeb
Show threadJoao DordioJun 8, 2024
@viticci hey Federico! How does multi platform work with iCloud Keychain? If you need to access it on a non Apple device?
Show threadFederico Viticci Jun 8, 2024
@dordio there is an iCloud Passwords app for Windows that I'm using right now on my Legion Go
Show threadApicultor šŸJun 8, 2024
@viticci @dordio Is that app created by Apple? If not, do you trust its author with your holiest of holies... and what happens when Apple makes a breaking change?
Show threadFederico Viticci Jun 8, 2024
@apicultor @dordio I'm pleased you're having fun. It's an official Apple app.
Show threadApicultor šŸJun 8, 2024
@viticci @dordio https://hachyderm.io/@apicultor/112581119287485366
Apicultor šŸ (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Cool, so Windows-only, gated behind Windows Hello which has many insecure configurations, and no access from a browser in a pinch. If the only thing on the menu is a shit sandwich, own it. Don't call it filet mignon.

Hachyderm.io
Show threadChris ZikopoulosJun 9, 2024

@viticci @dordio There is also an iCloud Password Chrome Extension that looks kind of sketch (even though the developer is Apple Inc. on the extension). I tried briefly searching through Appleā€™s website and could only find documentation referencing that it works in Chrome in Windows and not Mac, but this article from the Verge links to it directly so believe it is real with outdated documentation. Been using it and it works great.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/13/23793532/apple-icloud-passwords-chrome-extension-mac-sonoma-beta

Appleā€™s Chrome extension for iCloud Passwords works in the macOS Sonoma beta

Appleā€™s password manager in iCloud can now be connected to Chrome and Edge on the Mac thanks to an extension update compatible with the macOS Sonoma developer and public betas.

The Verge
Show threadApicultor šŸJun 8, 2024
@dordio @viticci You literally made me start belly-laughing while in the checkout line at Lidl and people looked at me funny. šŸ‘
Show threadmwanzaJun 8, 2024
@viticci cool, roughly how long did that take?
Show threadFederico Viticci Jun 8, 2024
@mzauk 30 minutes mostly to manually migrate a handful of logins that didn't transfer
Show threaddj2mnJun 8, 2024
@viticci yeah as a long time 1Password user (and from v2 up until around v7 a firm fan & advocate) I'm sorry but I'm ready for them to be Sherlocked.
Show threadgullevek ā˜¢ļø šŸ‡ÆšŸ‡µJun 8, 2024
@dj2mn @viticci But they do so much more than just passwords. Itā€™s my ssh key server and command line auth data inputter. Apple will make passwords and then stop. They always do this. Half ass something and then leave it hanging
Show threaddj2mnJun 8, 2024
@gullevek @viticci ok yes thatā€™s a fair point actually .. TBH Iā€™m not entirely sure how it works or even how I made it work but I do have some things in 1P now that I did previously with an ssh-agent command i always had to look up to remember.. now I just get a prompt for the 1P password and it does it for me. So thereā€™s that.. Iā€™ll memo Tim in the morning.
Show threadPatryk ChojeckiJun 8, 2024
@viticci Iā€™ve done the same last week but I migrated from bitwarden to keychain.
Show threadRoman StJun 8, 2024
@viticci I hope somewhere in the future Apple will add ssh keys support.
Show threadjsjJun 8, 2024
@viticci I migrated from @1password to @bitwarden. Self-hosted > everything else.
Show threadDrChrisJun 8, 2024
@viticci one thing I hope all the AI development bring will be smarter/ learning password entry suggestions ā€” there are a handful of small internal sites I use at work where the password suggestion or 2FA fill never pop up and I have to select from the autofill menu. Nevermind itā€™s a reasonably easy thing to solve with bog-standard programming but at least thereā€™s a higher chance of it happening if itā€™s attached to the AI hype.
Show threadJC šŸŖšŸ’¾šŸŒ„šŸ“šJun 8, 2024
@viticci Iā€™m as all-in on the ecosystem as it gets and I have no desire to do this. Iā€™m very happy with Bitwarden. Its Mac app and Safari plugin work great.
Show threadFlorian EgermannJun 8, 2024
@viticci I moved my 1Password library to Strongbox (afaik the only app that imports 1Passwordā€˜s custom fields correctly), so I have a place for attachments and secure notes.
New and regularly used logins all go to iCloud keychain. Pretty happy with it so far.
Show threadVille TurpeinenJun 8, 2024
@viticci itā€™s still so incredibly limited that I canā€™t see myself giving up proper password manager. I mean you canā€™t even edit the website url in saved items? Or add two website urls under same item? Basic functionality what user should expect a real password manager should have.
Show threadSwampYankeeJun 8, 2024
@viticci Podcast playlist is no longer available on Apple Music? See attached search. It wasnā€™t updating so I tried to delete and re-add but is no longer on Apple Music and the link from the Podcast just brings you to the Pakour video. Same behavior in Apple Podcasts and overcast. No playlist and bad link
Show threadApicultor šŸJun 8, 2024

@viticci >Ahead of WWDC, I migrated all my personal passwords (~500 items) from 1Password

This is the way. šŸ’Æ

> to iCloud Keychain

Ah. Well, good luck with that! šŸ¤žšŸ¼

@bitwarden works great _everywhere_.

Show threadAlex van der WeijJun 8, 2024
@viticci how do you import 1password into Keychain?
Show threadBrokenFlowsJun 8, 2024
@viticci was this a manual process or is there some export/import from one to another?
Show threadFederico Viticci Jun 8, 2024
@BrokenFlows exported from 1Password as CSV and manually fixed a handful of items that didn't transition automatically
Show threadBrokenFlowsJun 8, 2024
@viticci thanks for the answer! I may consider it for the future šŸ˜Š
Show threaddracJun 8, 2024

@viticci does Keychain support TOTP 2nd factor codes?

[shamefacedly] I use the built-in 1Password 2FA code generator for some accounts I consider dispensable. It would certainly hinder migration if iCloud Keychain didnā€™t

Show threaddonkeyJun 8, 2024
@drac @viticci sure does
Show threadmonorail timesJun 8, 2024
@drac @viticci yes
Show threadHenri AuninJun 8, 2024
@viticci Considering the recent stories where bad actors got access to Apple ID accounts just via stealing an iPhone and knowing it's passcode (I know they've mitigated this, but still), keeping everything in one basket seems really frightening to me.
Show threadjramskovJun 8, 2024

@viticci According to @1password, at least some of those issues are due to bugs in Safari.

I'm also in the camp of not wanting to switch to Apple tools as I need it to be cross platform and I simply don't trust Apple to do as good a job there. If you're all in on Apple platforms, then things are of course different.

Show threadJustin HiltzJun 8, 2024
@viticci I migrated myself many months ago and my parents just a few months ago. None of us have had a single issue. I actually really like having Touch ID to autofill on my Mac (but FaceID on Mac when?)
Show threadSujal ShahJun 8, 2024
@viticci needs family sharing of some kind.
Show threadmlhopeJun 8, 2024
@viticci Iā€™ve been putting this off for years. Did you just do it all manually?
Show threadMieszko ŚlusarczykJun 8, 2024
@viticci Iā€™ve just migrated my 1Password data to iCloud Passwords (for general usage) and Keepass (for the stuff that does not fit in there). So far (~5 months or so) Iā€™ve reached to Keepass maybe 3-4 times. I do hope they make Passwords more powerful. Just the separate app is going to be a big deal, because having a shortcut to launch the current ā€žappletā€ didnā€™t solve all of the issues.
Show threadPassimJun 8, 2024
@viticci I'm staying on 1P for now (I'm also using a Linux laptop) but it's GREAT to know there are options. Also, competition is generally good.
Show threadXavi MollJun 8, 2024
@viticci How do you deal with websites that don't label the OTP field as an OTP field? 1Password solves that by copying the OTP into your clipboard so you can paste it there. It's the only thing that keeps me from moving onto iCloud Keychain šŸ˜­
Show threadJakob SohnJun 8, 2024

@viticci Hopefully they support Firefox in addition to Chrome and Edge.

If they do, and it's generally a pleasant experience, I'll definitely switch from Bitwarden.

Show threadJerrod HofferthJun 8, 2024
@viticci I would do it in a second but for my daily, heavy use of the (ick) Windows client on my work PCs.
Show threadPeter GJun 8, 2024
@viticci another attempt for Apple to control ALL your information. Shouldn't you diversify your platforms so that one entity does not control your stuff? What if you decide to switch to Android, or Linux?
Show threadDaan OdinotJun 8, 2024
@viticci I will do it after I see what they deliver. I will switch if itā€™s a good app. šŸ˜
Show threadMarc NahumJun 8, 2024
@viticci if Monday they announced an app for it I will do the same (keeping 1 password until fall release) just need a good process how to do ā€¦
Show threadPhilippJun 8, 2024
@viticci did you do this manually?
Show threadLeon CowleJun 8, 2024
@viticci Man, Federico, Iā€™m tempted, but I just can NOT get comfortable with putting my entire secrets vault behind only my device (mac or iphone) password. Someone shoulder surfs my password and later steals my device and they immediately have access to ALL my passwords?! At least with 1PW, itā€™s behind a 2nd auth (biometric or [different] password).
Show threadkcĒƒJun 8, 2024

@viticci thatā€™s great to hear! Iā€™ve been hoping to do the same thing too (especially if rumors are true for wwdc24).

Where do you plan to store other sensitive info from 1Password (software registrations, credit card #ā€™s, personal ids, secure notes, etc)

Show threadCory OldweilerJun 8, 2024
@viticci Do you find that password autofill options (whether with Appleā€™s system or 1Password) show up less reliably on websites when youā€™re using Stage Manager? Just wondered if that was a known bug or just something Iā€™m experiencing for other site-specific reasons.
Show threadPark SilkensonJun 8, 2024
@viticci Iā€™m interested in doing the same, but I need it to work on Windows too.
Show threadMatt BonneyJun 8, 2024
@viticci I need to do this, too, but man, I literally JUST got my wife to use 1Password reliably
Show threadTom Klaver Jun 8, 2024
@viticci Bit surprised honestly you havenā€™t waited until the beta and potentially the Passwords app with potentially even better 1Password import!
Show threadMarkus TrautweinJun 8, 2024
@viticci +1
Show threadBen BiekerJun 8, 2024
@viticci hm the only thing I miss is separate vaults for work related accounts. I guess then I could also switch.
Show threadAzizJun 8, 2024
@viticci If Apple makes an app and team password management an option, iā€™m ditching our 1password teams plan. Sharing accounts with 2FA across teams helps reduce the frequent pain that is the Safari Extension and Mac app. Iā€™m ready to leave!
Show threadMiguel SantanaJun 8, 2024
@viticci @caseyliss ā€œI need my passwords in my work Windows computerā€ is the main reason I havenā€™t migrated fully to iCloud Keychain. So, 1Password it still is.
Show threadMister Moo šŸ®Jun 8, 2024
@viticci Hopefully the new Apple app works with different browsers!
Show threadMikkoJun 9, 2024
@viticci Did exactly the same just now. I was still running 1Password 7 tbh. If ever there were a time for this, it is now.
Show threadDavid HoltJun 9, 2024
@mikkoh @viticci how onerous is the process?
Show threadMikkoJun 9, 2024
@daveeed @viticci Personally, I just copied everything into Keychain (that wasnā€™t already there). So very. But I think people underestimate the value of just sitting down and typing away as long as it takes. It wasnā€™t that bad as I have only about 250-300 items total.
Show threadNicolas RizcallaJun 9, 2024
@viticci Glad this works but I had a good experience with 1Password so far. I have vaults shared with windows machines at work and I cannot easily put everything on iCloud for now. It will take some time until a Passeord app achieves feature parity I think. šŸ¤”
Show threadWillian LeiteJun 9, 2024
@viticci I kind felt that take a lot of effort to get that done. So I am 60% migrated, but an App to do what it does plus more features is more than welcome.