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CIOSAI@sybren so true
George Baily@sybren AI that can do laundry and dishes can also do kung fu and use firearms....
xs4me2This indeed…
Space Hobo@sybren https://youtu.be/PyBNR8ThrNQ ← IBM nailed it in the 60s, I'm afraid.
Machines should work; People should think
Sumukha S@sybren Totally agree with her. AI in physical labour will be the most beneficial.
Tobias Denkinger@sybren I don't think you need AI to build a washing machine or a dish washer.
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Johanna Janiszewski@JohannaMakesGames @sybren True. But neither does the LLM query itself or publish the texts it writes.
okanogen VerminEnemyFromWithin@denki @JohannaMakesGames @sybren
Does AI clean your toilet? I don't GAF if it makes its racist-inspired pictures or answers (by design, because LLM get all of their data from our deeply racist society). I want it to clean my bathroom.
Does AI clean your toilet? I don't GAF if it makes its racist-inspired pictures or answers (by design, because LLM get all of their data from our deeply racist society). I want it to clean my bathroom.
@Okanogen @JohannaMakesGames @sybren I don't think AI is necessary (or even helpful) to build a toilet-cleaning robot. After all it would just be a robot arm and a toilet brush with a static sequence of movements that brushes the entire (inner?) surface of the toilet. The product does not exist because it would be expensive (a sufficiently precise and articulated robot arm would set you back a couple of grand) compared to hiring a human servant to do it.
@JohannaMakesGames
I agree with that.
I just want to make clear that LLM salespeople do not have the choice to (try to) replace creatives or to replace washing machines. They can only target creative work because that is what LLMs can pretend to do.
LLMs are a byproduct of fast and large computers (and some decades old computer science); the technology could not have been avoided. What can and should be avoided is them using others creative work as training data.
@Okanogen @sybren
@denki @JohannaMakesGames @sybren
So you would rather clean toilets than make art or write poetry?
Because that is what it comes down to. AI evangelists want humans to do the dirty work and their pet project to flood the world with regurgitated racism.
So you would rather clean toilets than make art or write poetry?
Because that is what it comes down to. AI evangelists want humans to do the dirty work and their pet project to flood the world with regurgitated racism.
@Okanogen @denki @JohannaMakesGames I think they're missing a point as well. The (currently used) process of training an LLM effectively amplifies biases in the training set. Even when the training set has a "small but generally acceptable bias" the resulting LLM may be considered "unacceptably biased". It's very hard to make a system that is made to discriminate (a chair from a hotdog or a dog from a cat) but still be ethical in the ways we want it to be ethical.
@Okanogen Since AI can not help me with that, I will have to continue cleaning my toilet anyway.
I agree with you that LLM salespeople try to replace creative jobs with their products. Whether they succeed depends on people with money realizing and caring that what the LLMs produce is not art but rather a random remix of previous art.
The reason LLM salesmen attack creatives (and not cleaning ladies) is not actual malice, but the fact that LLMs can feign creativity (but not clean toilets).
TofuTheSquirrel
fabriek@sybren The original tweet is here: https://nitter.poast.org/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238
Koantig@sybren @fabriek Also on the fediverse: https://indiepocalypse.social/@AuthorJMac/112178826967890119
Joanna Maciejewska (@[email protected])
You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-AI is? Wrong direction. I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes.
Fahri Reza 🍉@sybren you have less purchasing power but your laundry machines can now bring ads to your face
Justin ⏚
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BakersRelay@sybren Indeed.
Jeff C@sybren People are getting close to working on that...
"some robotics experts have suggested robots could be doing any human task within 10 years"
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/robots-take-over-household-tasks-134920771.html
wolfkin@JeffC1956 @sybren That's full guano. The only robot that could do "any human task" is an artificial human. Not just physically human but mentally. It's ridiculous to even say something like that. We still can't get generative AI to draw signs with the correct spelling. It's nowhere close to being able to do ANYTHING a human can do.
@wolfkin @JeffC1956 yeaaaah I think you're missing the point.
Ethan
worldmatrix@sybren Unfortunately, it shows how dumb smart people can be in tech industry... There are so many real problems that they could solve but they are picking the ones that nobody wanted or those that hurts everyone :(
rrb@sybren to continue which pictures contain bicycles
Maciek@sybren so far Tesla has been working on that. Anyone else?
@maciejtrybilo I mean it's Tesla does that even count? By Tesla's calculations they're going to have self driving cars better than F1 Racers ... maybe next month. And they'll keep saying that about 20 years before they move on to the next if you let them.
@wolfkin Tesla has a chequered history of delivering things. Self driving has been a continual fail, but I'm also old enough to remember hearing that the Model S could not exist according to the laws of physics.
I've no idea whether they can deliver the clothes folding robot or not and when.
oneupthextraman@sybren Why can't AI do my taxes for me.
jamespthomas@sybren in a artists studio are you really supposed to see the floor?
a.d. 🗽🇺🇸@sybren .. … .. Skynet to do laundry? That’ll be day. 😂
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Biontechnisierter 🐡 
@sybren That said, I don't want AI to do xyz for me so my boss can hand me more stuff to do 😎
Ryek DarkenerGood point. Now we only need the people / society who wants this also.
Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@sybren thankfully AI does not make the art for you. It just steals the art from others who have now more time to do the laundry of other people.
maesrin@sybren life seems to suck in my job. We started using AI for just anything "... in order to be more productive", and I believe I've lost my creativity and everything is just boring, just waiting all day a piece of software to do the work for me.
Épuiszzé🛌🧟👽⏚@sybren I want AI that doesn't use resources that are needed by humans, like water for instance.
nachtet@sybren AI is also very welcome to carry out all the nonsensical conversations with their fellow customer service AI (see how they like it) to respond to scams and cold calls, and trail after my parcels when they've been misplaced. ❤️
wakingrufus@sybren
What's great about this quote is also that it begs the question "wouldn't everyone feel this way?" And the answer is apparently "no", and exploring the reasons why is where it gets really interesting:
1) the tech VCs and other leaders already have other people doing their chores for them
2) to them, art is not an end of itself, it is just a means to an end of making more money
What's great about this quote is also that it begs the question "wouldn't everyone feel this way?" And the answer is apparently "no", and exploring the reasons why is where it gets really interesting:
1) the tech VCs and other leaders already have other people doing their chores for them
2) to them, art is not an end of itself, it is just a means to an end of making more money
Misuse Case@wakingrufus @sybren Tech VCs and other very wealthy people also expect personal attention and services from humans but try to fob off AI/chatbots on the rest of us.
Andrea Sciuto@sybren L'ho detto uguale da subito! È la prima cosa che faccio notare ai miei alunni quando si parla di AI.
I have been saying the same all along. That's the first thing I point out in my classes when speaking of AI.
Hartmut Neubauer
riquisimo@sybren ugh, truth
Just Tired@sybren
I need AI fitted sheets
I need AI fitted sheets
Peter Skopek@sybren I cannot agree more. Thanks!
AzureCeruleanShe is(You are) conflating AI with Robotics.
Robotics do(es) physical things, AI, does thinking things.
@AzureCerulean I think you're confusing a realistic description of a practical end goal with a good statement to make a point ;-)