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Tobias Denkinger@sybren I don't think you need AI to build a washing machine or a dish washer.
Johanna Janiszewski@JohannaMakesGames @sybren True. But neither does the LLM query itself or publish the texts it writes.
okanogen VerminEnemyFromWithin@denki @JohannaMakesGames @sybren
Does AI clean your toilet? I don't GAF if it makes its racist-inspired pictures or answers (by design, because LLM get all of their data from our deeply racist society). I want it to clean my bathroom.
Does AI clean your toilet? I don't GAF if it makes its racist-inspired pictures or answers (by design, because LLM get all of their data from our deeply racist society). I want it to clean my bathroom.
@Okanogen @JohannaMakesGames @sybren I don't think AI is necessary (or even helpful) to build a toilet-cleaning robot. After all it would just be a robot arm and a toilet brush with a static sequence of movements that brushes the entire (inner?) surface of the toilet. The product does not exist because it would be expensive (a sufficiently precise and articulated robot arm would set you back a couple of grand) compared to hiring a human servant to do it.
@JohannaMakesGames
I agree with that.
I just want to make clear that LLM salespeople do not have the choice to (try to) replace creatives or to replace washing machines. They can only target creative work because that is what LLMs can pretend to do.
LLMs are a byproduct of fast and large computers (and some decades old computer science); the technology could not have been avoided. What can and should be avoided is them using others creative work as training data.
@Okanogen @sybren
@denki @JohannaMakesGames @sybren
So you would rather clean toilets than make art or write poetry?
Because that is what it comes down to. AI evangelists want humans to do the dirty work and their pet project to flood the world with regurgitated racism.
So you would rather clean toilets than make art or write poetry?
Because that is what it comes down to. AI evangelists want humans to do the dirty work and their pet project to flood the world with regurgitated racism.
@Okanogen @denki @JohannaMakesGames I think they're missing a point as well. The (currently used) process of training an LLM effectively amplifies biases in the training set. Even when the training set has a "small but generally acceptable bias" the resulting LLM may be considered "unacceptably biased". It's very hard to make a system that is made to discriminate (a chair from a hotdog or a dog from a cat) but still be ethical in the ways we want it to be ethical.
@Okanogen Since AI can not help me with that, I will have to continue cleaning my toilet anyway.
I agree with you that LLM salespeople try to replace creative jobs with their products. Whether they succeed depends on people with money realizing and caring that what the LLMs produce is not art but rather a random remix of previous art.
The reason LLM salesmen attack creatives (and not cleaning ladies) is not actual malice, but the fact that LLMs can feign creativity (but not clean toilets).