I am talking o a reporter about this in a couple hours: https://regina.ctvnews.ca/from-outer-space-sask-farmers-baffled-after-discovering-strange-wreckage-in-field-1.6880353

This is about an hour away from my farm, so this'll be a fun conversation, and yet another great opportunity to tell a lot of people about what a huge problem we have with unregulated commercialization of orbit. (Also I just redid my slides for my public talk next week, this is going in!)

From outer space? Sask. farmers baffled after discovering strange wreckage in field

A family of fifth generation farmers from Ituna, Sask. are trying to find answers after discovering several strange objects lying on their land.

Regina

Interview done. I emailed Jonathan McDowell @planet4589 to ask if he had info on a possible reentry, and he immediately found it, and even had the ground track already calculated! Thank you for this meticulous tracking, Jonathan! (Because the satellite companies sure as shit aren't sharing this info!)

It was a Dragon Trunk from the Axios 3 mission, reentered on Feb 26. The reporter is going to send me contact info for the farmer who found it, so at least I can tell him what it is.

I'm now going to email everyone I know who works at CSA.

I'm *super* curious what is going to happen with this (probably nothing).

But if I can get SpaceX in trouble for dropping garbage on Canada from orbit, then I will use every power I have to make that happen!

I called the farmer who found the pieces! He is super mad that SpaceX is saying that this is safe, when clearly very large pieces are making it to the ground (and this kind of thing is TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE according to every launch and reentry regulating body. Wild.)

He said I could come take a look at the pieces after he's done seeding in a few days (because, Saskatchewan). He also really liked the idea of sending a bill to SpaceX for littering on his property. This could be a lot of fun!

HAHAHA they added my interview in to the redone version of the new story: https://regina.ctvnews.ca/from-outer-space-sask-farmers-baffled-after-discovering-strange-wreckage-in-field-1.6880353

And apparently it made national news(?!), because someone I'm on a committee with in Ontario said she saw me. I think it's time to go to bed (and hope for no more reentries...)

From outer space? Sask. farmers baffled after discovering strange wreckage in field

A family of fifth generation farmers from Ituna, Sask. are trying to find answers after discovering several strange objects lying on their land.

Regina

I just got an email back from one of the CSA people I contacted yesterday, and they just sent me SpaceX's media inquiry email. Given than literally every article that talks about SpaceX has "SpaceX did not respond to a request for comment" in it, this is...less than helpful 🙄

Edit to add: I just noticed it says "UNCLASSIFIED" in all caps at the top of the email, which is...hilarious? Man this situation just keeps getting weirder. I hope some journalists pick up on this.

Ok the latest twist in this saga: a different person at CSA emailed me and asked if I had the farmer's contact info, because they want to buy samples of it?!! This is getting more hilarious with every email

Oh my gosh it just keeps coming. So, I reached out to a colleague who I trust and respect on space law issues, asking them what actually the law says about space junk on someone's farm in another country. And I fully expected to hear something like "oh yes, the Outer Space Treaty says this and this" with clear directions.

Instead, they asked for the farmer's contact info so THEY COULD TRY TO BUY THE SPACE JUNK

That's the hardest I've laughed in a really long time. Wow.

Well, I again didn't get a big giant thing done that I've been procrastinating on for months because it sucks. But I did learn a hell of a lot about space law and I have a feeling I will have zillions of news interview in the next few days, which is great! I hope this gets lots of people talking about unregulated commercialization of orbit!

Quitting work stuff for the day. Time for goats, auroras, and wondering if my trip to Toronto will actually happen or if space weather will cancel it...

ok jumping back into this thread because hahahaha I can't believe everything that's happening.

I found out during a live radio interview this morning that someone claiming to be from SpaceX did indeed call the farmer, and ask to get the space junk back from him. But it sounds like whoever contacted him has absolutely no idea how rural Saskatchewan works. There is no FedEx. There are no addresses. This is going to be harder to recover than they thought.

I talked to a couple of space law experts to find out what to even advise the farmer on this. I had sort of thought that since it's in another country and it fell on private property, it belongs to the property owner.

But it is much more complicated than that, because of the Outer Space Treaty.

What *should* have happened is Global Affairs Canada should have contacted the US State Department, who should have contacted SpaceX.

But I think what actually happened was someone somewhere else in the Canadian gov't saw a news interview and told SpaceX.

The space law experts I talked to agreed that since SpaceX has now asked for it (assuming it *is* SpaceX), the farmer has to surrender it. BUT he should ask for compensation.

If there had been damage, the US gov't would have had to compensate the Canadian gov't, but because it's a private company, and no damage happened, compensation is voluntary

I chatted with the farmer again, and he's doing everything right! He asked for proof that the person was from SpaceX. He asked them to donate to the local skating rink. He's being careful at every step. He's doing a great job of dealing with a totally bizarre situation that very few people in the world have ever had to deal with.

I'll be heading up to visit him and see the junk over the weekend once I'm back in Sask, he seemed pretty confident that he'd still be in possession of it.

I have so many interview requests that I'm actually starting to lose track of them at this point...

But I'm really glad there is so much interest. This is terrifying stuff: SpaceX and other companies are dumping stuff on the ground that could very easily kill people. Countries need to enforce the rules that already exist, and the regulations NEED to be updated to take into account how terrifyingly many re-entries are happening now.

Augh I have an interview written on my calendar happening soon but I can't find it anywhere in my email.... oh noooooo I need a better system.
I have now done 5 interviews about Saskatchewan space junk from a random empty classroom at University of Toronto.
I'm going to CBC studios in Toronto tomorrow morning for an interview and coffee with a science journalist that I'm totally going to fangirl about! This is exciting (but it means I have to shift 2 other interviews I had already scheduled...haha this is so hilarious)
Nicole Mortillaro gave me a hug after the interview! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
...and let me just say that it is fucking surreal to get texts from my partner about baby goats while I'm trying not to completely freak out walking through downtown Toronto after a CBC interview.
I'll write much more about this later, but... this happened:

So...this saga is ongoing, but here's the latest. I met the farmer on Saturday. He is incredibly nice, and his memory and deductive reasoning powers are impressive! It was really fun to chat and learn from him all the information he pieced together on his own, just from studying the piece of space junk. Farmers = engineers!

He also showed me the official lawyer-y-but-polite email he got from SpaceX. They said they will come pick up the piece from him, and they will compensate him. Good!

@sundogplanets part of me wishes he'd been able to more discreetly auction it off to a MuskBro to alleviate them of some cash haha

Imagine the bidding war among them!

@sundogplanets Wow! Hard working person collected space junk! Bewdy, Professor!
@sundogplanets this is such a great story! Thanks for sharing and for bringing attention the issue 🚀☄️
@sundogplanets Sooooooo cool! Wow! Your like an air traffic controller for space debris! 😆 I wonder if pilots were scrambled while it was coming through the atmosphere. 🎉☺️
@sundogplanets Crikey the space junk is much bigger than I realised
@sundogplanets@mastodon.sociaI Oh, wow...this part is much bigger than I thought!
@sundogplanets You may have mentioned it before, but what is the approximate mass of said junk? It looks like it could have done significant damage had it landed on a building, etc.
@sundogplanets
" the Gods must be crazy" Jamie Uys, movie South Africa 1980
😁

@sundogplanets

To quote Tom Lehrer:

"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department, " says Wernher von Braun.

@sundogplanets

Crikey! That would have hit with a thump 😱

@sundogplanets

Wow. It was masssive and no mistake! If this kind of shit gets more frequent someone is going to die sooner or later.

@sundogplanets

what a great thread

not only because it's an awesome read

but because it's impactful, no pun intended

@sundogplanets So Space Karen just dgaf whether stuff like that falls on our heads. Nice guy.
@sundogplanets OMG that's huge!!! Dumbass SpaceX/Starlink is going to kill someone!

@sundogplanets not recognizing that person ... May I ask for context of those big knowing please?

Is that the piece that the farmers found?

@sundogplanets because of the interview or just because of the people?
@sundogplanets that scene from The Incredibles 2, when the mother receives a call from the father asking for about some domestic stuff while she is is pursuing a villain and trying not to die in the process
@sundogplanets looking forward to hearing the next quirks and quarks ... : -)

@sundogplanets

Y'know, I was thinking (normally not a good thing for me) if that farmer wants to build an arena, if we found a promoter who could stage a TOUR for that (massive) space junk, it might maybe perhaps raise some eyebrows? That's got to be worth the cost of an arena 😊

@sundogplanets

As for Bye Bye Jupiter, I would only recommend the movie for those tolerant of badly written, badly directed, badly scripted sci fi cheeseyness by a few very skilled actors (very few) that concerns implausible solutions to keen orbital dynamics and anomalies in the Kuiper Belt.

#iwillwatchanythingifitinvolvesastrophysics

@sundogplanets@mastodon.socialIf if you want a good one.. another scientist I talked with recommended Kai for science journalism if you want another name for your Rolodex @kakape
@sundogplanets I love the passion and excitement! Following the next developments from Germany 👋
@sundogplanets
DING!!! Achievement "Space Junk Advisor" and 500 xp! (Because of the many interviews in one day!)
Weird what people are interested in, but hey, it might help make them more aware💕 - I do find your other topics much more interesting and also frightening (when it comes to satellites).
The part about the space law was eally interesting though! Unexpected.
@sundogplanets wow! Any guidance on getting paid to interview? Do you have to get a science agent for that?
@carlysagan Do people get paid for news interviews?! I always considered it a part of my job as a professor at a public university...hm.
@sundogplanets I thought Carl Sagan had an agent that got him paid for every interview right? So you should get that! It’s a lot of energy to interview for me, I don’t know what to do going forward with it
@carlysagan yeah it's definitely exhausting... this is an interesting thing to consider. Thanks for the idea.
@sundogplanets Clippy here! It sounds like you are using Microsoft Outlook to manage your calendar and email. Conveniently, this program makes calendar invitations disappear from your inbox when you accept them! With any luck some of that information moves to your calendar. Glad to be of service to you, and have a nice day!
@Brad_Rosenheim oh no that's probably what happened uhhhh I wonder how I find my calendar...
@sundogplanets @Brad_Rosenheim If you're using Mac or iOS to sync to Outlook you may need to delete you calendar caches periodically. There are three files in the Library Calendars folder that I delete every few months when everything vanishes and syncing stops. Very tedious.
@sundogplanets @Brad_Rosenheim check your deleted emails folder, I’ve found accepted calendar invites in mine
@ShadSterling @sundogplanets @Brad_Rosenheim This is why I never delete invitation e-mails in Outlook until the event time has passed.
@roadskater @sundogplanets @Brad_Rosenheim how do you make it so accepting (or declining) an invitation doesn’t also delete the email?
@Brad_Rosenheim @sundogplanets also deletes the email IIRC, which is incredibly stupid. I actually setup a rule to auto forward anything with an ICS to my personal email so I didn't lose appointments 🥲
@ketmorco @sundogplanets Hi! Clippy here again! Isn't technology great?
Clippy goes rogue – infamous paperclip assistant returns to Windows 11 in order to help declutter the OS

It looks like you're trying to fix Windows 11. Can I help with that?

TechRadar
@sundogplanets this is so interesting! It's been great being able to follow developments through your posts, thank you for sharing!
@sundogplanets What a story!
@qui_oui @sundogplanets
I agree! I'm reading this thread on the edge of my seat!
@sundogplanets everything about this is horrifying, I’m glad no one was hurt.
Yet. But I’m sure that’s coming. 😔