Linux people, *please* understand this. Sometimes people need to run Windows.
They’re allowed to complain about Windows ads, or tracking, or any other enshittification problems, without you saying “use Linux” every time.
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Update: I regret posting this.
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Update 2: I've addressed the most common comments below. I'm muting this thread now. Lesson learned!
@mirabilos @rubenerd Are you serious? Because of proprietary software that only runs under Windows (not WINE) that I have to use to get a paycheque.
MS Teams (the native client) comes to mind. Not running it could get me fired. MS Outlook (again, the native client with native COM plug-ins) comes a very close second. Web versions are not an option for either product, here, for sound technical/functional reasons.
I greatly enjoy what I do, so I choose to run UNIX on the servers and Windows on my laptop in order to continue getting paid to enjoy doing what I do.
@athompso @mirabilos @rubenerd I mean you *could* run it in a VM under Linux
*ducks and runs away 
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(to clarify I too run Windows as a dual boot for some occasions, so I totally get the point)
@athompso @mirabilos @rubenerd There are a lot of times I complain about people not using open source software, and I often feel it's a bit annoying that people complain about all the open source advocacy on a federated network built by open source advocates using open source tools in order to escape proprietary networks.
But I have to remind myself we can't just ignore real problems with open source and that people are compelled to make compromises. We have to actively make things better.
@athompso @mirabilos @rubenerd
There probably is still a lot of proprietary software which is really not running on Linux, but MS Teams (at least for chat and video conference) is running quite OK in a web browser or as (unofficial) electron app: https://teamsforlinux.de
I use web outlook for mail and calendar, so I don't know if I miss any functionality in comparison to the official app 🤷
(I'm in the fortunate position that I haven't had to use Windows on my work computer for decades)
@athompso @mirabilos @rubenerd I remember seeing rms once, totally seriously and with a straight face, tell someone who said something like this that they were "still making a choice" and they could "choose to have a lower standard of living" and "remain true to their values".
Personally, I've only used Windows like 10 times ever. But I'm not going to tell someone else what to do.
@stevendbrewer @athompso @rubenerd I want people to be more aware of the choices they are making regarding giving up personal freedom, so they can then make informed decisions.
Most of the people replying are prime examples of species that really needs this food-for-thought and start thinking, stop whining.
@mirabilos @stevendbrewer @athompso @rubenerd
Yes of course.
@athompso @mirabilos @rubenerd
Teams works fine on Linux for a long time (https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams-blog/microsoft-teams-progressive-web-app-now-available-on-linux/ba-p/3669846)
@athompso
Okay, now I am really curious... Both softwares you mentioned have alternatives that run in a browser ... What are the technical/functional reasons you mentioned?
I'm genuinely curious! 🤔
@mirabilos @rubenerd
Awesome linked response
@rubenerd @mwl
Oh no, I’m on Mac. But if you work in particular industries, Microsoft/Adobe hell will follow you anywhere.
@mirabilos You probably don’t work in publishing. 😁
I want to write books and get them in people's hands.
That labor has a price.
@mirabilos @rubenerd I mean,I have to for work. Not only to do my work, but a large portion of our servers are Windows servers. We use MS SQL server.
Also, personally I've used Windows for three decades. I'm comfortable with Windows. I know it inside and out. I have never had the issues other people do with Windows. It works for me, it works well. There is no reason for me to change OS
This isn't rocket science.
@mirabilos ok, but do you have anything substantial to say instead of personal remarks?
Edit: got blocked. Fediverse, never change.
@mirabilos @rubenerd Try running VST instruments together with a decent DAW on Linux.
let me know how you got it working.
(yes I know I can use OSX buy that costs a fortune...)
@mirabilos @rubenerd Windows might suit someone's usecase better. You wouldn't tell someone to use a tractor when they need a station wagon, right? Even if you knew of a several seater large trunkspace tractor. If Linux suits your usecase better, excellent. Not true for everyone.
Also remember sometimes people aren't looking for solutions, they're just looking to vent.
The global conglomerate I work for has ~30,000 Windows installs with Office. That's the standard. Employees don't have a say in the matter.
Most of those will have AutoDesk products installed. Some also have Bentley products and fewer still Dassault. Because those are the ones the clients expect us to use.
IT folks are already run off their feet doing support. The absolute last thing they need is to do it on multiple platforms, especially with the wide variety of hardware the company uses.
At home I have an old laptop running Mint, which works fine.
But my gaming rig is Win11. I had to shut off or remove a lot of bloat, but it is what it is. It works fine for my purposes. I don't want a project, I just want to play a few games.
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