People's failure to understand that fascism is a fairly banal worldview reflects a refusal to understand how common and ordinary looking it is and how well it hides behind our modern high tech lifestyles.

Fascism doesn't have to have 1930s pomposity and daily military parades.

It can look like America, right now, today, depending on who and where you are. America already has military jingoism, mass incarceration, mass surveillance, unchecked paramilitaries, and theocrats denying our rights.

Many Americans are fascists and always have been, including people you know, and they look perfectly normal most of the time. Virtually every Republican is a fascist and has been for years; they've just worked hard to convince you they're not so they can continue advancing their agenda, hiding in plain sight.
Which gets at the real problem -- fascism isn't new and in fact, it's been winning for years, dismantling democracy, corrupting institutions, seizing power, and inserting itself in the lives and choices people make on a daily basis. The fact that you haven't noticed reflects how well their propaganda has worked on you.
The belief that there are Real Americans, that those Real Americans are white, cis, het, Christian, and conservative, and that those Real Americans are inherently good and deserve to prosper while others should suffer, and that those Real Americans should have the power to control and subordinate people who are different, here and abroad, backed by the threat of violence from a massive police force and an even larger military, is an inherently fascist one.

Honestly, I don't trust anyone who doesn't find stuff like the Pledge of Allegiance or the bombastic jingoism of the Fourth of July at least a little creepy.

But a lot of people -- cis-het white people specifically -- have internalized so much of this stuff as "normal" that political discussions are derailed by having to convince them that things are already bad for other people and that it's been happening for years.

"We have to fight fascism!"

Yes, but you don't even know what fascism looks like.

It's been here for a while. It just wasn't threatening you.

This is fundamentally the problem of arguing politics with white liberals: they prefer to believe fascism is a dramatic new thing that COULD happen, not an extension of existing systems with built-in inequity at every level.

Few are so tone deaf as to vocally support, e.g., sweeping up homeless people and throwing them in jail, but many accept it, and few seem to contemplate why homelessness even exists or why our only solutions are to criminalize and imprison people.

It just doesn't register.

@gwynnion
There's a certain gaslighting quality to liberals constantly browbeating everyone critical of Biden or Democrats in general by saying that it's either them or a fascist takeover.

Superficially, it's not *wrong.* In the ballot box, there are only two choices for all intents and purposes: dictatorship and not-dictatorship.

However, this conveniently ignores that the failure of Democrats to actually combat fascism is how we got to this point in the first place.

@jargoggles There's this very weird, smug mindset of people who chortle at Republican stupidity as if that will defeat them all by itself when Republicans are objectively winning.

And if it's a problem, they put the onus squarely on (other) voters and never on Democratic officials, whose job consists entirely of giving earnest speeches, apparently.

They have no theory of power or change whatsoever. And I don't think they actually want one.

@gwynnion
If I were a Democratic politician who was solely concerned on keeping my job while having to deliver as little as possible, I would be *thrilled* with the current status quo.

Any criticism of Biden is immediately compared to the fact that Trump will be worse. Can you imagine if your performance at work was held to the standard of the absolute least competent person for the job? And people think that's a good way to evaluate how well the fucking *president* is doing?

@jargoggles Right?!

@jargoggles When you point out that GOP presidents seem to wield enormous power, they sniff and act like it would be illegal for a Democrat to do the same but for good things.

These Democrats would have impeached Eisenhower for sending federal troops to enforce desegregation.

@gwynnion
And FDR? Ew.

No way he'll get elected (four times). He's not doing enough to appease moderate Democrats (who vote for Democrats regardless) and Republicans (who are never going to vote for a Democrat).

@gwynnion
So saying that the Democratic Party as a whole needs to do better and demanding change is a much, much stronger rejection of fascism than what liberals are doing.

Telling us to hold our nose and bite our tongue is tantamount to saying that you are perfectly okay with voting for exactly the same circumstances that brought us to this point to begin with. Neoliberalism brought fascism to our doorstep. Simply not inviting it in isn't sufficient. We need to push it back.

@jargoggles Yeah, and I think many people, because they benefit from the status quo, see change as bad no matter what form it takes.

Trump is bad because he wants to change things (in ways that might affect them). Progressives are bad because they want to change things (in ways that might affect them).

It's all about their bottom line.

Enshittification is fine as long as it affects other people.

@jargoggles @gwynnion

as long as you #vote

nothing bothers me about the rejection of milquetoast spineless democrats except those who go "and so i won't vote"

MAGA consistently votes, and so they successfully turned the party of john mccain into the party of licking putin's boots. that's remarkable

imagine if the left made over the democrats like that

rather than grow disenchanted with how bernie was treated, just show up to vote even more. it's so easy

then send 100 bernies to the top

@jargoggles @gwynnion It also fails to acknowledge the direct fascistic actions of far too many Democratic elected officials, from homeless camp sweeps to stop and frisk and mass surveillance and incarceration to calling in the national guard to mill around the subway intimidating commuters with machine guns.
@jargoggles @gwynnion There's an old cartoon (Gahan Wilson, maybe?) -- two priests sitting side by side. One leans over to the other and says something like "But you know, where would we be if it weren't for evil?"
@gwynnion Do brown, pink or yellow liberals think differently?

@gwynnion I know you know they just don’t want to be out front on sweeping up the homeless & jailing them, but they are totally down with somebody doing it.

The societal failure they see isn’t the homeless, it’s that they have to be aware there are homeless.

@gwynnion
the Canadian anthem opens with a see it from space lie, “our home and native land,” like europe never happened, drives me bugshit, why do they have to make the whole world bullshit
@gwynnion
and spanking is fascism. Mom made sure they can’t see it. 😈

@punishmenthurts @gwynnion Soap in mouth too.
It's not like I'm going to get drug tested in 6th grade when I say the teach put some nasty liquid in my mouth for not speaking "appropriately"

Tasted like the nasty versions of envelope adhesive. Some part of me never stopped wondering if that liquid put in my mouth was actual liquid envelope adhesive.

@GreenRoc @gwynnion
it’s the point of pretty much everything I say or write that if there is spanking there will be fascism and a global meltdown every century.
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Fascism is when the authorities devolve into crime, the spankers, the cops - not the kids and the criminals. Spanking drives the adults and the “good,” people mad, that’s fascism. 😈
@GreenRoc @gwynnion
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#actuallyautistic
@actuallyautistic
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ah, I like that!
The kids may or may not behave better, the prisoners may or may not behave better - but the parents and the cops get worse, that is the point of Antisocialization Theory, and why fascism.
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@punishmenthurts Thank you Lama.

I think I finally get it. Took me ?? many years to get to this point to really truly understand why some autistics say, I'm like a canary in a coal mine, but instead of canary, I'm autistic. Instead of coal mine, the Earth.

Born with an innate sense to be against fascism. We have our nature beat out of us, brainwashed out of us, denied so hard we kill ourselves, or become a super fascist (EG Elon Musk).

PDA Bad? I dont think so. PDA pathologizes antifacism imo

@GreenRoc 👍❤️

@punishmenthurts Einstein knew when to get the hell out of Germany.

Every century huh, timing seems pretty accurate.

@punishmenthurts Europe? Why draw the line there? Humanity originated in Africa. Anywhere else was just settled at some moment in time.
@darkwiiplayer
not PC, not a comparison, especially when the point is it's still going on every time they sing the song 😇
@darkwiiplayer @punishmenthurts We are not "all Africans" the same way the colonizers are "all european" lmao
@itsmeholland Name one meaningful difference
@darkwiiplayer Not everyone has any cultural or meaningful recent heritage ties to Africa & a whole bunch of humans straight up lost skin pigmentation bc it was better suited to northern climates, whereas we are all very much still acutely dealing with economic consequences, cultural factors, & climate impacts of European colonization. 🤨 Like it's really well documented that European colonization is an ongoing problem while "being from Africa" has NO concrete bearing on most white Europeans.
@punishmenthurts
Indeed.
"Our home ON Native land."
(FIFY)
#LandBack

@gwynnion I've always felt the pledge was awful. I was expected to stand at attention with my hand on the correct side, not always remembering my right from my left, and state that damn thing every morning until my mind was numb and the whole thing was like a thoughtless recital.

Anytime I refused, I was dealt punishments. From spanking to extra homework to denied access to fun things, so I had no better choice than to put up with that damned thing I never liked.

@GreenRoc I’m forever grateful to the social studies teacher who taught my class about a court ruling that we couldn’t be forced to recite it as long as we sat quietly and didn’t disrupt the students who wanted to participate. Most of the kids still at least stood up for it despite knowing they didn’t have to and had a respected teacher in the school who would defend their free speech rights if necessary. 🫤
@GreenRoc As an adult working in local and regional government, I’ve found myself in a few awkward meetings where a town select board or in one case a bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee recited the pledge to open their meetings. I probably would have been a more effective advocate for sound urban planning if I’d gone along to get along, but I don’t pledge allegiance to flags, governments, or gods.
@gwynnion The pledge gets even creepier when you add in that most people who were educated in the USA have no idea that pledges like that are abnormal. Those of us who do know that, typically found out by accident.
@eagerpebble @gwynnion I found out about this when I moved to New Zealand as a young person and started trying to explain it to people. Also children sitting in their school hall and singing military songs on Memorial Day or Veterans Day (or whatever the hell day it was) also seems very strange to me now too.
@jessnickelsen
That last part is new to me, and I grew up in the south.
@gwynnion

@gwynnion if you read the Supreme Court decisions, from around 2000 onwards, it is so easy to spot.

Institutionalized conservative fascism, deviously advanced from up high, with a racist and Cristian agenda. They seem to care more about the form than about the substance of the law.

There are so many examples: this is just one institution.

@wtrmt Oh, yeah, it's everywhere.

People bemoan the litigiousness of our society, for example, without recognizing how that system benefits wealthy people and corporations, or that it's the inadequacy of our laws and regulations that force people to seek redress from the courts in the first place.

And now with a captured SCOTUS, they can essentially dictate law directly.

@gwynnion and male, but yeah. Seriously, it's fucked up on multiple levels that this is the reality, that anything even remotely left of it is immediately and aggressively attacked as "communism"
@gwynnion this isn’t a uniquely American phenomenon. It’s common across the West: in Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc. certainly in non English-speaking countries as well. We all probably know some people who believe this, even if we don’t realize it.

@gwynnion

That’s an excellent definition of modern Baptist Christianity.

@gwynnion Every country has a right wing faction with that patriotic vision. Sometimes the religion is different or the “real” people aren’t white, but the patriarchy, heteronormativity & belief that wealth and poverty are measures of a person’s worth are always there. In the US, it’s on steroids like our cars, highways, cops, and farm animals.

@gwynnion

Spotting propoganda, requires either an advance skill set or an open mind I think? How would you otherwise explain implicit biases of our minds?

How do you spot Propoganda ?

It seems to me propoganda it’s both a strong and weak form of mind control.

Effectively dumping your brain into the spin cycle so when it comes out it’s nicely mind controlled by a black and white thinking style.

🤷‍♀️:)
POV..

@EVDHmn @gwynnion @GreenRoc
requires having a foooting of your own. I think “Human Nature,” is the ultimate disinformation, it says you’re not required to consider causality in human matters, there’s just a “Nature,” and we don’t change each other, no matter WHAT we do to each other.
@gwynnion

"Fascism" is just the 20th century label for tyranny, which translates in German into: Gewaltherrschaft. "Herr" is a male master.

About 10k years ago, tyranny began when greedy men started the economic exploitation of humans based on the invention of agriculture and livestock breeding, also called patriarchy. Accordingly, political systems became tyrannic in order to ensure the economic exploitation. This happens still today, even under "political democracy"! Only the labels have changed. Without economic equality there will never be democracy, NEVER!
@gwynnion When one cannot vote for the candidate they believe best represents them because they're afraid a greater evil may come to power, it's no different than Russians voting for Putin. Both are casting their ballots based on fear of what might happen to *them* if they vote any other way.

@gwynnion

Great #Thread 💐🎯

I've come to understand that #Fascism is what I've been taught to call #Capitalism when it starts treating ytpipo like it's been treating black & brown people the whole time

Capitalism/profit demands #slaves
Left to itself it will eventually have them

Solidarity from Tacoma